6.8 miles
Distance
1,659 ft
Climb
-1,909 ft
Descent
2,540 ft
High Point
This route is archived

Small change to the maps and course release this year. You can see the full route, but stage starts and finishes are going blind. There will still be the same three stages as all past years, they will be of the same variety and flavour. No we won't be adding in any massive amounts of uphill timed climbing, but they might just be a wee bit.

Apres will be located at Steed Cycles located at: #969 Marine Dr, North Vancouver.

Reminder of our 200 rider cap. See the event page linked to this route for the full sponsor and event details.

Detailed Description
2019 FWS - 4 is a 7 mile expert race route located near North Vancouver British Columbia. This mountain bike only route can be used one direction and has a moderate overall physical rating. This route includes 17 trails. This route climbs 1,659 ft with a max elevation of 2,540 ft then descends -1,909 ft.
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88 Reviews & Comments

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ruminates (Nov 23, 2022 at 20:08)
Trail 7th Secret
still snow free
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ruminates (Nov 23, 2022 at 20:08)
Trail 7th Secret
still snow free
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tinroos (Nov 11, 2022 at 7:45)
Trail Dreamweaver
The bridge on dreamweaver has been destroyed by a fallen tree. This happened around Nov 8 or 9 2022. You can get around but it’s a hike-a-bike.
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tinroos (Nov 11, 2022 at 7:45)
Trail Dreamweaver
The bridge on dreamweaver has been destroyed by a fallen tree. This happened around Nov 8 or 9 2022. You can get around but it’s a hike-a-bike.
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tadamszz5 (Nov 9, 2022 at 13:58)
Trail Leppard
Snow at the trail head, but rideable.
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conrad-hoc (Jul 29, 2022 at 8:46)
Trail Dreamweaver
I agree the direction/signage is hard to follow. Big thanks to all the comments above warning me to avoid turning down St. George's by mistake (success!). Trail was dry and root sections were fairly exposed. I'd say it's a dark blue with some black sections.
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conrad-hoc (Jul 29, 2022 at 8:46)
Trail Dreamweaver
I agree the direction/signage is hard to follow. Big thanks to all the comments above warning me to avoid turning down St. George's by mistake (success!). Trail was dry and root sections were fairly exposed. I'd say it's a dark blue with some black sections.
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provin1327 (Jul 26, 2022 at 14:28)
Rode this west to east after exiting Expresso and holy crap this trail has some technical and challenging sections! Although there are some traversing sections on this trail that are blue in difficulty overall it's a black, a pretty difficult black at that. It's fun and challenging but if you are an intermediate rider this trail will eat you alive and you'll probably be walking a chunk of it.
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razzlebazzil SHORE CORPS (Jul 27, 2022 at 14:37)
You got it, it's the blackest blue trail on the shore! All I can say is you should have seen it 6 years ago. A few thousand hours over the last six years have gone into fixing up this section of trail. We haven't eliminated the gnar but there are some relatively smooth lines (albeit about 4" wide) through the rougher sections. This trail definitely helps folks progress!
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maggiedurkin (Jun 20, 2022 at 22:03)
A bit of a surprise, a fun surprise, but after a pretty mellow traverse from expresso the trail changes it’s vibe quite drastically! Be prepared to ride through like 10 rock gardens. Very well put together rock gardens, but somewhat twisty rock gardens nonetheless. Helps to know what to expect! That being said still a great way to get back to the parking lot.
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northshoregurl (May 30, 2022 at 1:23)
Trail 7th Secret
It is soooo worth the climb. What a sweet trail.
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northshoregurl (May 30, 2022 at 1:23)
Trail 7th Secret
It is soooo worth the climb. What a sweet trail.
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ekaczor (Jan 22, 2022 at 13:02)
Trail Lower Oilcan
Several trees down across trail and still some snow through the first third of the trail.
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komar (Nov 29, 2021 at 17:06)
Trail Lower Oilcan
This is my favorite trail on Fromme. Lots of roots and can be ridden at a good pace compared to the majority of other trails. The trail crew was pimping out the first step down into the right hander today.
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SpecSRAM (Nov 8, 2021 at 10:42)
Ridden many times...decided to finally post a comment lol. I really only use BP to ride back out to the Upper Parking Lot and the final descent once you get past Big Stupid is no joke. You can create and carry some ridiculously fun speed down here. Be careful though, as hikers regularly use BP, both ways. You CAN get down the final descent in about 1:30, but your hands will not like it.
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Chenzone (Oct 14, 2021 at 14:34)
Trail Dreamweaver
I’m sure it’s a decent trail once you know where you’re going but there’s about 100 other trails crossing through with hardly any signs and I don’t think it’s good enough of a trail to ride it more than once.
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Chenzone (Oct 14, 2021 at 14:34)
Trail Dreamweaver
I’m sure it’s a decent trail once you know where you’re going but there’s about 100 other trails crossing through with hardly any signs and I don’t think it’s good enough of a trail to ride it more than once.
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Mcyeetus (Sep 25, 2021 at 16:40)
Trail 7th Secret
My favorite trail on fromme. Such a good mix of tech, features, and flow. Awesome trail worth the climb for sure!
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Mcyeetus (Sep 25, 2021 at 16:40)
Trail 7th Secret
My favorite trail on fromme. Such a good mix of tech, features, and flow. Awesome trail worth the climb for sure!
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Mcyeetus (Sep 25, 2021 at 16:37)
Trail Lower Oilcan
Great trail. Like a downhill trail with only little pedally parts. Around same difficulty as 7th secret.
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cannae (Sep 5, 2021 at 10:11)
Trail Lower Oilcan
One of the easier gnar trails on the upper parts of fromme. Lots of super fun lines and can be ridden at a fair amount of speed. I love this trail and ride it on days where I want gnar but nothing high consequence.
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colchilibeck (Aug 21, 2021 at 11:39)
Trail 7th Secret
Really amazing trail. I Ben in the wet there is still lots of grip.
A note to fast riders, don’t try passing slower riders while they are moving through techy/rocky steep turns. It ruins the experience when you bail because someone decides to blow by you. Just give a shout and pass when safe to do so!! We are all there to have fun. Keep those maneuvers for a race day!
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colchilibeck (Aug 21, 2021 at 11:39)
Trail 7th Secret
Really amazing trail. I Ben in the wet there is still lots of grip.
A note to fast riders, don’t try passing slower riders while they are moving through techy/rocky steep turns. It ruins the experience when you bail because someone decides to blow by you. Just give a shout and pass when safe to do so!! We are all there to have fun. Keep those maneuvers for a race day!
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MTBaboon (Jun 17, 2021 at 10:47)
Trail Lower Oilcan
Basically the north shore version of a dh course.
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mario9000 (Jun 14, 2021 at 13:12)
Found a piece if wood with a 3" nail sticking up out of it on a bridge going eastward just before pipeline exit. Seemed to be placed there purposely. It has been disposed of now. I will upload an image.
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razzlebazzil SHORE CORPS (Jun 15, 2021 at 10:45)
Thank you for taking care of that. I'll swing through and take a good look.
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Wesmacaulay FVMBA - ADMIN (Jun 5, 2021 at 23:44)
Trail 7th Secret
Rock work is astonishing. I can’t even think of all the hours of work put into the construction of this trail. Epic.
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Wesmacaulay FVMBA - ADMIN (Jun 5, 2021 at 23:44)
Trail 7th Secret
Rock work is astonishing. I can’t even think of all the hours of work put into the construction of this trail. Epic.
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Wesmacaulay FVMBA - ADMIN (Jun 5, 2021 at 21:09)
A decent but challenging traverse trail back from Espresso. Some of the steeps could be made a bit more ridable. The large rock gardens will be dangerous for many riders if it's wet. Only worth riding west to east.
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JKLikebikes (May 20, 2021 at 19:40)
Trail Dreamweaver
Trail is in rough shape, lots of gravel, needs some love fornsure.
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JKLikebikes (May 20, 2021 at 19:40)
Trail Dreamweaver
Trail is in rough shape, lots of gravel, needs some love fornsure.
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emjaybee (Apr 22, 2021 at 15:15)
Trail Dreamweaver
Trail was quite dusty and loose this week.
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emjaybee (Apr 22, 2021 at 15:15)
Trail Dreamweaver
Trail was quite dusty and loose this week.
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quithollerin (Jan 21, 2021 at 10:16)
Yup. I can honestly say that I'm over Baden. It's now just another fee to pay if you want to ride Expresso. Shaves some life off of your bike everytime you ride it.
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98teg (Jan 4, 2021 at 22:27)
This was harder than floppy bunny and expresso
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ranchitup (Nov 23, 2020 at 21:53)
There are several sections on this trail that will f*ck a beginner up, especially in the wet. With that being said there are a few pretty fun sections on this trail and overall not terrible for a traverse.
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darcraver (Nov 14, 2020 at 19:39)
The trail totally rocks! Should have seen it 10-15 years ago Smile Great progression trail after the warmup on Expresso. Unbelievable amount of work done on this trail the last few years to make it more blue like, but it keeps fighting back Smile
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liamdubs (Aug 25, 2020 at 16:19)
Like everyone says, not a blue. This is some sort of a prank.
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darcraver (Aug 11, 2020 at 19:35)
Trail Lower Oilcan
One of my favorite trails on Fromme. Good n gnarly, but without high consequences like on some of the tougher trails like Upper Crippler.
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Dannyjean (Aug 3, 2020 at 11:50)
Trail 7th Secret
Absolute stellar trail. Worth that little extra climb FOR SURE
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Dannyjean (Aug 3, 2020 at 11:50)
Trail 7th Secret
Absolute stellar trail. Worth that little extra climb FOR SURE
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SmartyPantz (Jun 7, 2020 at 15:34)
Trail Lower Oilcan
Some good old fashion north shore jank with a couple nice jumps and a few smoothish sections
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Habsfan11 (May 9, 2020 at 11:22)
Trail Dreamweaver
Awesome trail for blue riders. More signage in this area would help.
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Habsfan11 (May 9, 2020 at 11:22)
Trail Dreamweaver
Awesome trail for blue riders. More signage in this area would help.
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SeventhSecret (Apr 28, 2020 at 20:48)
Agree with the comments here -- this is by far the blackest blue trail anywhere on the North Shore. It tends to get pretty beaten up as well, and can get super-gnarly. There are several corners on the downhill section going East towards Mtn Highway (from Espresso / Pipeline, etc.), that are essentially steep rock gardens, and pretty slippery especially when they're wet. Not to mention the beginning of the downhill section... the mandatory steep ladder onto steep rock garden, with a slight left turn at the bottom, would be pretty intimidating, even for a black trail.
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SpecSRAM (Nov 8, 2021 at 11:18)
Its a super fun thrill ride! Big Grin
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travis-l (Apr 15, 2020 at 20:26)
Trail Dreamweaver
Yeah I just did the same thing! Nasty roots towards the bottom - won't make that mistake again.
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travis-l (Apr 15, 2020 at 20:26)
Trail Dreamweaver
Yeah I just did the same thing! Nasty roots towards the bottom - won't make that mistake again.
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JacksonThack (Apr 15, 2020 at 12:07)
Trail Dreamweaver
Accidentally turned down onto St George's - no signage preventing it - huge waste of elevation. Be sure to a stay left after crossing the BP
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JacksonThack (Apr 15, 2020 at 12:07)
Trail Dreamweaver
Accidentally turned down onto St George's - no signage preventing it - huge waste of elevation. Be sure to a stay left after crossing the BP
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Edu888 (Aug 21, 2019 at 23:08)
Trail Lower Oilcan
Easier than Pipeline, but harder than 7th Secret. IMO not that great of a trail other than the two gap jumps, when compared to Pipeline. Lots of technical sections that just didn't feel that fun compared to what's on Pipeline. Still a fun trail though.
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B-Rough (Aug 16, 2019 at 20:46)
Similar to many of the comments above I took this trail as a connector from Expresso. This trail did surprise me as due to the rock paths they have created (I think for hikers) it is actually pretty challenging, definitely harder than Expresso in my view.
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eh-cee (Jul 17, 2019 at 10:04)
Trail Lower Oilcan
Anyone lose a pair of sunglasses on that trail yesterday? If so please PM me!
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bboyshredder (Jul 16, 2019 at 8:57)
Trail 7th Secret
Awesome rocky trail . worth the climb , but some berms are beat up.
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bboyshredder (Jul 16, 2019 at 8:57)
Trail 7th Secret
Awesome rocky trail . worth the climb , but some berms are beat up.
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scrisini (Jul 13, 2019 at 0:49)
Trail Leppard
What an awesome flowy trail ! A must !
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sheldonuvic (Jul 1, 2019 at 9:26)
Way better than the old route!
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martyzaleski (Jun 5, 2019 at 11:56)
Trail Leppard
Fresh trail work in the mid-section this past weekend by Pete and BGC Engineering, just in time for this week's Fiver.
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JemSamonte (May 7, 2019 at 21:16)
Rode this trail after trying Expresso the 2nd time. Was very technical for me but was really fun. Walked most of the uphill part and some sketchy descent. You just have to be mindful since a lot of hikers are on this trail as well. Will definitely try again this weekend after pipeline or expresso.
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andreyapopov (Mar 28, 2019 at 13:44)
This is NOT a blue trail; it should be marked as black diamond. I ride blue trails almost exclusively with couple black ones thrown in, and this one is by far the hardest I've done. There are some "black" trail in Squamish and Seymour that are easier than this one.
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andreyapopov (Mar 28, 2019 at 13:48)
In fact, Expresso - black rated trail - is much easier than this one.
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Edu888 (Jan 27, 2019 at 16:16)
Took the trail to go back to the parking lot after Espresso and I can safely say that this trail is significantly harder. Super steep rocky climbs lead to super steep rocky descents. The descents are really fun though.
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crashelman (Sep 14, 2018 at 11:25)
Trail 7th Secret
Awesome trail in wet weather! Epic amount of armour and nothing too sketchy. Great start to Crinkum and Kirkford
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crashelman (Sep 14, 2018 at 11:25)
Trail 7th Secret
Awesome trail in wet weather! Epic amount of armour and nothing too sketchy. Great start to Crinkum and Kirkford
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JacksonThack (Jul 30, 2018 at 8:56)
This trail is exceptionally technical with massive uphill rock gardens, steep stairs, and not much fun for me as an intermediate rider
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georgeshumway (Jun 30, 2018 at 20:00)
Trail 7th Secret
Anyone know how this trail compares in terms of difficulty with expresso?
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georgeshumway (Jun 30, 2018 at 20:00)
Trail 7th Secret
Anyone know how this trail compares in terms of difficulty with expresso?
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nwareing (Jan 26, 2019 at 18:08)
Trail 7th Secret
Expresso is easier
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nwareing (Jan 26, 2019 at 18:08)
Trail 7th Secret
Expresso is easier
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MKBERGEY1 (Jun 28, 2018 at 14:01)
Trail 7th Secret
7th is running so sweet ! ????????
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MKBERGEY1 (Jun 28, 2018 at 14:01)
Trail 7th Secret
7th is running so sweet ! ????????
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daslade (May 12, 2018 at 18:33)
Trail Lower Oilcan
Fun rock roll, technical descent, some fast sections
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KevinStafford (Apr 4, 2018 at 6:27)
Yeah, that was the blackest blue I've ever ridden. However, I had a great time rolling those steps and re enforced stone descents back to parking. Great trail in its own right.
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konarider112 (Mar 16, 2018 at 20:55)
This is the hardest blue trail I’ve ever ridden. Especially east to west; I had to push my bike.
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chris-mcintyre (Sep 24, 2017 at 16:44)
Trail 7th Secret
One of the most if not the most amazing trail on the mountain! Definitely worth going up and shredding all the way down to Kirkford! This trail is a must when visiting Mt. Fromme!
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chris-mcintyre (Sep 24, 2017 at 16:44)
Trail 7th Secret
One of the most if not the most amazing trail on the mountain! Definitely worth going up and shredding all the way down to Kirkford! This trail is a must when visiting Mt. Fromme!
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Ledski (Aug 16, 2017 at 19:30)
Much harder than expected and quite challenging to ride east to west. Quite technical.
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Ledski (Aug 16, 2017 at 19:29)
Trail 7th Secret
Accessible North Shore style trail that flows well through its fortified rocky technical sections. Really well built and loads of fun.
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Ledski (Aug 16, 2017 at 19:29)
Trail 7th Secret
Accessible North Shore style trail that flows well through its fortified rocky technical sections. Really well built and loads of fun.
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edwardbear (Aug 7, 2017 at 9:19)
Trail Leppard
thank you pete and giant........jim
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leelau (Jun 4, 2016 at 20:18)
Trail Dreamweaver
A note to uphill climbers that a large chunk of this trail was used as a downhill route in the past and will be used by downhillers in the future. Keep your heads up going both ways
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leelau (Jun 4, 2016 at 20:18)
Trail Dreamweaver
A note to uphill climbers that a large chunk of this trail was used as a downhill route in the past and will be used by downhillers in the future. Keep your heads up going both ways
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j-tommy (Mar 22, 2015 at 16:54)
Trail 7th Secret
Beauty of a trail! First ride today, my first ride on the Shore... and it lived up to the hype. Even got to meet Pete, who I understand is the master builder on this beauty. The rock work is amazing! It was pretty busy up there, but everyone was in a good mood and very friendly. Overall a great ride.
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j-tommy (Mar 22, 2015 at 16:54)
Trail 7th Secret
Beauty of a trail! First ride today, my first ride on the Shore... and it lived up to the hype. Even got to meet Pete, who I understand is the master builder on this beauty. The rock work is amazing! It was pretty busy up there, but everyone was in a good mood and very friendly. Overall a great ride.
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  • Difficulty rating
    Black Diamond
  • Route Type
    Loop
  • eBike Allowed
  • Bike type
    AM
  • Direction
    One Direction
  • Physical rating
    Moderate
  • Ridelogs
    44
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  • Altitude min
    870 ft
  • Altitude start
    1,120 ft
  • Altitude end
    869 ft
  • Grade
    -0.7%
  • Grade max
    -58.6%
  • Grade min
    34.2%
  • Distance climb
    4 miles
  • Distance down
    2 miles
  • Distance flat
    873 ft
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