19.2 miles

Distance

2,804 ft

Climb

-4,207 ft

Descent

2 miles

High Point

A long loop from the montage to tidal wave all the way to park city. Shuttled by the montage

Detailed Description

Big Deer Valley is a 19 mile popular intermediate route located near Park City Utah. This mountain bike only route can be used one direction and has a extreme overall physical rating. This route includes 13 trails. This route climbs 2,804 ft with a max elevation of 9,248 ft then descends -4,207 ft.

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28 Reviews & Comments

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Lambert123 (Oct 20, 2022 at 19:50)

Trail Tidal Wave

Such an amazing trail!!! Really fast and flowy, the builders and definitely good at their job, if you go on Ontario run in the winter you can go into the trees and ski on it, I even clear some of the jumps on skis, but I must say this trail is so much better on a bike. I ok boy complaint is that there aren’t any trail signs right now, which made some intersections with other trails confusing, however this makes sense as they are preparing for the ski season and need to take most signage down so skiers aren’t confused. Most of the time your going like 20mph, so you have just the right amount of speed for practically all of the jumps, like I said it is just so well built

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codekitchen

(Oct 9, 2022 at 13:09)

Trail Johns

Rose John’s for the first time in maybe 5 years today. I don’t know why it’s been so long, this trail still rocks. I’m glad not all descents are this technical and slow, but I wish there were more trails like this. It’s like a puzzle that will have you grinning the entire time.

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makita29

(Oct 8, 2022 at 9:58)

Trail Loose Moose

Oh Baby so much brake chatter! Fun to blow through it, but please PCMR, do a little grooming next Spring.

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paterjo

(Oct 7, 2022 at 19:00)

Trail Johns

Starts off rocky and then lots of really tight sections between trees. Penalizes riders with wide handlebars. This is a trail that is an upper body workout, lots of upper body maneuvering to get through the trees. If you want an easy flow trail look elsewhere, this requires old school skills.

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makita29

(Jul 29, 2022 at 11:00)

Trail Johns

The pinnacle of techy trails! A lot of fun down! Built in the old school style way back when…..(trees and roots were to be saved and savored)

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korbin-m (Jun 30, 2022 at 7:24)

Trail Tidal Wave

Great trail! The first part is definitely not a black though. They need to change there signage.

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Rapcha801

(Jun 26, 2022 at 12:00)

Trail T and G 2

Useless and overgrown, only good part is when Black Forest meets up with it and actually makes it a trail.

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jcarpe43

(Jun 21, 2022 at 12:05)

Trail Johns

Super overgrown right now. Hard to see what’s around the next bush. I found myself pedaling almost the whole time because I couldn’t maintain any speed/momentum.

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mkb5150

(Jun 17, 2022 at 8:12)

Trail Boulder

The description, while not necessarily inaccurate, made me think this trail would be at least a little entertaining. It is not.

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Bociancz

(Aug 24, 2021 at 0:01)

Trail Johns

This is an awesome oldschool trail that reminds me of my PNW and EU days. Certainly unique for Park City. It is really narrow in spots and I think you need to like this particular style of trails to really enjoy it, but if you do, it is super fun.

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Dandraperoutside

(Jul 15, 2021 at 9:40)

Trail Johns

This trail is a fun old school classic! I really hope nobody tries to “improve” it. It’s just as much fun up as it is down. And yes- I climb it with my Lefty all the time

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nedersotan

(Jul 2, 2021 at 6:47)

Trail Tidal Wave

Still one of the best blue jump trails the world.

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econwatch

(Jun 28, 2021 at 14:52)

Trail Johns

All the angled tree roots, loamy soil and gracious shade reminded me more of North Van than Utah. Just missing the rainy slickness to cause your rear tire to wig out and topple you into the brush. Yeah its tight and knar in its own way, going back.

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Spedden

(Jun 26, 2021 at 12:26)

Trail Johns

Good shaded hiking trail through dense aspen. Truly a character building mountain biking route. On the upper section the trail in lined by aspen with scars right at the height of handlebars, and it is constant. The trail is also paved with tree roots coming in at every angle. A hiker would not have to worry about high speed mountain bikers, the trail would tend to filter them out early.

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prabhvv

(Aug 2, 2020 at 18:33)

Trail Johns

Although this is listed as a blue on Trailforks, the park city mountain resort summer map has it as a black. I would rate it right on the edge of both. Not a black because of rocks, drops or steep descents. However, the low speed required to navigate the tight turns and the narrow tree clearance makes it a trail prone to an endo or two if you hit one of the many roots the wrong way.

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NoGr1018

(Jul 30, 2020 at 6:58)

Trail Johns

This trail has so much potential, but I wish that the land owners would be willing to cut down just a couple aspens around the switchbacks time make it wide enough to ride at a decent pace. Definitely a trail designed before 780 mil bars were a thing, but everyone should ride it up or down at least once.

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blofft (Jul 23, 2020 at 20:20)

Trail Johns

I wouldn’t ride it every day but you should experience it. Super unique technical trail through a gorgeous aspen grove. Lots of roots and tight handle bar shoves through the trees. Laughed a little, grunted some, but smiled the whole way.

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AKRe

(Jul 22, 2020 at 15:49)

Trail Tidal Wave (Upper)

Agreed with above...there ZERO need to skid any track here...ride it, don’t slide it! Most of the flow tracks don’t require hardly any breaking...The berms will hold!

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hi-dr-nick

Reporter (Aug 29, 2019 at 17:14)

Trail Tidal Wave

The worst brake bumps you’ll ever see, seriously. Even whistler in the midst of a long dry spell isn’t this bad.

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Mjj1066

(Aug 16, 2019 at 20:17)

Trail Johns

Probably the most unique trail in the entire area. Twisty, rooty “gnar” without any major risk. I find this super fun.

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gafoto (Aug 16, 2019 at 9:51)

Trail Johns

This trail is an acquired taste. It’s a bear to climb up to the start and despite losing elevation you’ll feel like you’re climbing the whole time. You will almost certainly be forced to yield to a fifty year old man climbing the trail on a cannondale lefty. Very techy and extremely slow for most mortals.

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Sailanarmo (Aug 10, 2019 at 17:21)

Trail Johns

100% not a blue trail. 1000% a very technical black diamond. You cannot gain any speed going down hill, there are TONS of roots on it where you can easily catch your pedals (as I did twice on this trail) I would avoid this trail of you can. Unless you want to try your hand at a very technical black diamond trail.

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Rades (Aug 9, 2018 at 23:25)

Trail Johns

Personally would avoid this trail. May better ways down or up

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dvbwn

(Aug 18, 2016 at 8:36)

Trail Tidal Wave (Upper)

Dear everyone that rides this trail: the braking bumps are getting ridiculous. Just trust the berms!

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mkb5150

(Jul 28, 2015 at 14:26)

Trail Tidal Wave

is this the Tidal Wave trail being built right now, or something else entirely?

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mkb5150

(Jul 28, 2015 at 14:58)

Trail Tidal Wave

to answer my own question, yes it is. A small piece of the Tidal Wave trail still under construction by Gravity Logic

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brockcot

(Jul 31, 2015 at 11:06)

Trail Tidal Wave

Correct. This section is finished. Gravity Logic is apparently working on extending this trail all the way to Silver Lake. The new upper Tidal Wave is awesome! Deer Valley constructed really steep hard berms on all the switch backs and added some small, but fun, tabletops on the areas in between. Gravity Logic created this section. It is more fun that should be legal. The table tops are awesome to jump. It is seriously a riot. Beware though, there were a few tourists that liked stopping at the top of the tabletops to take pictures or chat. We had to remind a few people that this is not a trail you stop on.

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brockcot

(Jul 31, 2015 at 11:08)

Trail Tidal Wave

Also, the photos and videos that are supposedly taken of this trail (everything posted before 7/31/15) are NOT of this trail. They are of other trails apparently named "Flow".

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Trails in Route

	Empire Lodge				1,247 ft
	Boulder				2 miles
	Trump				3,136 ft
	Tidal Wave (Upper)				1,890 ft
	Tidal Wave				2 miles
	T and G 2				4,396 ft
	Mid Mountain				3,373 ft
	Tommys Two Step				1 mile
	Steps				1 mile
	Mid Mountain Connect				230 ft
	Johns				1 mile
	Upper Loose Moose				338 ft
	Loose Moose				4,163 ft

Details

Riding area

Deer Valley Resort
Primary Activity

Mountain Bike
Difficulty rating

Blue
Route Type

Shuttled
Bike type

AM
Direction

One Direction
Physical rating

Extreme

More Stats for Big Deer Valley mountain bike route

Altitude change

-1,403 ft
Altitude min

6,929 ft
Altitude start

8,332 ft
Altitude end

6,929 ft
Grade

-1.4%
Grade max

-73.8%
Grade min

90.7%
Distance climb

8 miles
Distance down

10 miles
Distance flat

4,117 ft

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Recent Trail Reports Along Route

trail	date	description
Mid Mountain	Oct 22, 2022 @ 1:57am Oct 22, 2022
T and G 2	Oct 9, 2022 @ 5:44am Oct 9, 2022	Overgrown in places, lots of roots
Johns	Oct 7, 2022 @ 4:11am Oct 7, 2022	Trail is in great shape, starts off rocky and then lots of really tight sections between trees. Penalizes riders with wide handlebars. This is a trail that is an upper body workout, lots of upper body maneuvering to get through the trees.
Loose Moose	Oct 4, 2022 @ 9:55am Oct 4, 2022	Top portion closed due to construction
Tidal Wave	Sep 25, 2022 @ 9:12am Sep 25, 2022

Big Deer Valley route

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