7.7 miles
Distance
839 ft
Climb
-843 ft
Descent
2,426 ft
High Point

This route is a simple guide, directions can change with interpretation. If you're unsure about directions or difficulty we highly encourage you to grab a guide on one of our daily Singletrack Tours.

A Classic Loop of Whistler's Zappa trails for intermediate riders.

Make your way to the junction of Blackcomb Way and Lorimer Road taking the entrance to the Valley trail. Once on the Valley trail take a left at the first ‘T’ which will take you to Passivhaus. From Passivhaus you will follow the trail right as it turns to gravel - looking to take the immediate left behind the Passivhaus building, from here you will find the entrance to Peaches and Regalia this trail is a great warm up as it’s a climb featuring some wood work and small rock gardens.

As you climb you’ll follow the trail to the right as it flattens off and head straight over the first crossing to continue your climb onto Dinah Moe Humm. From this point as you climb and encounter the next few junctions you will continue straight on through to ‘Disco Boy’, ‘The Torture Never Stops’ and ‘Fountain of Love’. As you approach the start of Pinocchio's Furniture you can take either a more technical steeper descent left featuring a drop, or follow the trail proper to the right as it descends several wooden features. Caution should be taken at this point, especially in the wet. Once you have completed the climb out of Pinocchio’s Furniture you will continue straight into ‘Dwarf Nebula’ and then straight onto ‘Zoot Allures’. Straight over from the exit of ‘Zoot Allures’ and once you start Toads of Short Forest, you will keep right at a small fork to follow the trail as it takes you over marsh land on wooden features. At the top of the small climb you can either descend to the far left down a fun rock roll, or take the slightly easier line to the right of the rock roll, onto the descent.

Once you exit the trees continue straight over the hydro cut under the powerlines to find the entrance to Gee I Like Your Pants, a descending trail with a tight ‘S’ bend wooden feature. Following the exit to this trail you will keep straight at the following junctions passing through ‘Son of Mr. Green Genes’ and ‘Jellyroll Gumdrop’ both descent trails that feature some fun wood features and small rock slabs.

At the exit of Jellyroll Gumdrop look left for the bridge. Starting just before the bridge on the right, is the entrance to a fun and slightly tougher climb trail- Muffin Man. Climb this for some time until you start a small decent into the trees, stay on the trail until you meet another trail that joins from below on the right- keep left at this point joining Central Scrutinizer. Follow this as it descends across an FSR heading straight up the rocky climb of Packard Goose. From Packard Goose head straight into ‘I’m not Satisfied’ and onto ‘Why Johnny Can’t Read’ these trails will traverse the hillside, taking in some small technical rock moves and wooden features while mixing climbs and small descents. As you finish the last feature on ‘Why Johnny Can’t Read’ either taking the technical rock line or wooden bridge, take a left onto the crushed gravel trail ‘Molly Hogan’ for a short time until you see the entrance for Grand Wazoo on the left. Take this and follow the trail to completion. At the end of your descent take a left and follow the valley trail back towards Passivhaus.

Detailed Description
The Arbutus Routes - Lost Lake Zappa Loop (Intermediate) is a 8 mile popular intermediate route located near Whistler British Columbia. This mountain bike primary route can be used one direction and has a moderate overall physical rating. This route includes 38 trails. This route climbs 839 ft with a max elevation of 2,426 ft then descends -843 ft.
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71 Reviews & Comments

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Chucky80 (Sep 10, 2022 at 16:40)
Trail Hooktender
DO NOT ENTER / wrong way signs - now at the bottom of this trail. Downhill only.
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ben-hryciw WORCA (Sep 10, 2022 at 22:32)
Trail Hooktender
I think those were just temporary signs for the Whistler Alpine Marathon.
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marcbc (Sep 3, 2022 at 16:32)
Tree down across lower 1/3 area of the trail
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TheGregor (Aug 19, 2022 at 20:05)
I rode this last year and came back to it yesterday. Enjoyed the climb, the descent trail (Comfortably Numb Descent) not so much. I agree with a lot of what was said above. I wasn’t expecting a downhill trail, having ridden this before. What I didn’t recall was just how rocky and rooty this is. There is not an inch of the trail that is not covered in rocks and roots. Made it tough to get any flow at all for me. Could be lack of skill but XC trails like Business Time seem a lot nicer to ride to me. If you don’t mind being jostled relentlessly this could be the trail for you!
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Flow1961 (Aug 19, 2022 at 9:24)
Short but so nice to ride. Couple of huge rocks to just ride over. I really enjoy this trail
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MLeier (Aug 5, 2022 at 8:57)
This doesn’t really feel like a “descent” trail. I agree with the others that say it’s more like an XC trail. It’s very flat and pedally through rock gardens and over roots between the rock roll descent parts. Lots of punchy climbs. Cool trail if you know what you’re getting into, but you will be disappointed if you are expecting a mostly down, very little pedalling, descent.
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cmckimm (Jul 19, 2022 at 16:45)
Enforced merriment live from Whistler!
Zappa Trails Playlist:

open.spotify.com/playlist/0STkJjOvBdHxcNHQK8WSrQ?si=4ce86eec952f4a55
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ripleyfan (Jul 14, 2022 at 12:14)
Jkk I’llu
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kylecurts (Jul 13, 2022 at 12:10)
My kids (5 and 7) had a blast on this. A flattish fun rooty challenge with no sketchy features.
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Charlyzzz (Sep 3, 2021 at 17:48)
The rock faces are quite nice, on the easy side of black. Lots of roots and when not, lots of rocks. One of these trails where you won't get the luxury to tell yourself "I'm done with the uphill", which after a while gets a bit tiresome to my taste
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cmckimm (Jul 25, 2021 at 7:00)
did to Hook tender
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zwass (Jul 15, 2021 at 12:36)
On the easy side of black. The biggest challenge is probably cleaning the short uphills. I definitely prefer trails with more continuous downhill, but if this is your style you'll love it!
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BADBURGERKING (Jul 1, 2021 at 20:11)
Fun but a lot of uphill both ways
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botinta (Jun 2, 2021 at 0:14)
Boulder feature for beginners/intermediate, also great spot to take a break.
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botinta (Jun 2, 2021 at 0:04)
Technical climb for beginners. And there’s a large rock feature for beginners to practice
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dave6797 (May 15, 2021 at 0:58)
Not my cup of tea, lots of janky short climbs after very short fun downhills, feels like 5 seconds of down, 20 seconds flat/up.
I'd say its great for someone who likes XC style trails. Not great if you want to get stuck into a consistent decent
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andybikehike (Nov 6, 2020 at 9:51)
Rode this uphill in summer, fun with some intermediate strenuous parts. Rode it uphill again early November, wet, slippery ... a lot less fun. Stick to downhill in wet conditions
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ttrrr21 (Nov 1, 2020 at 15:35)
Sick trail, love the Zappa rolls. My favourite at lost lake.
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KarinB (Sep 27, 2020 at 20:30)
Loved this trail, together with Peaches and Dinah Moe Hum it makes a great challenge for beginners
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KarinB (Sep 27, 2020 at 20:28)
Similar to Peaches. A great (more challenging than the easy greens) beginners trail in the Lost Lake area
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KarinB (Sep 27, 2020 at 20:24)
Great trail both up- and downhill. Just enough technical for riders who think the green trails around Lost Lake are too boring.
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Roncha76 (Sep 23, 2020 at 19:47)
Anyone know how the trail hold after 3 days raining? Tempted to go but not sure if will be way to slippery
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flipfantasia WORCA (Sep 24, 2020 at 6:26)
it will be slippery on the roots and rocks, but you probably won't do any damage to the trail since it's pretty hard surfaced with lots of rock
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LewMcC (Aug 13, 2020 at 12:52)
Any update on fire thinning closures?
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flipfantasia WORCA (Aug 13, 2020 at 13:52)
check the recent reports, been open for the past few weeks
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bikesrfun1 (Jul 18, 2020 at 17:05)
Trail Muffin Man
Great addition to the Zappa network! Part of the trail is shared with Comfortably Numb along the disc golf course, so watch for the unmarked junction where Muffin Man drops down to the right if you're heading uphill towards Central Scrutinized.
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bikesrfun1 (Jul 18, 2020 at 17:05)
Trail Muffin Man
Great addition to the Zappa network! Part of the trail is shared with Comfortably Numb along the disc golf course, so watch for the unmarked junction where Muffin Man drops down to the right if you're heading uphill towards Central Scrutinized.
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WhistlerJennie (Jul 14, 2020 at 13:00)
Trail Muffin Man
Such a beautiful trail! Thanks WORCA!
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WhistlerJennie (Jul 14, 2020 at 13:00)
Trail Muffin Man
Such a beautiful trail! Thanks WORCA!
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123meaney (Jul 11, 2020 at 9:39)
Is this trail open yet?
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jacob-everett (Jul 1, 2020 at 19:38)
Yaaaaa!!!!!! ????☠
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barryduncan (Jun 13, 2020 at 14:02)
This trail and many others in the area are currently closed due to tree felling activity.
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vinnie03 (May 27, 2020 at 12:18)
A different climbing trail could make this trail world famous.
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Sun2306 (May 27, 2020 at 13:37)
it has a climbing trail? it is world famous?
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TessRose (May 11, 2020 at 20:43)
Closed for tree falling
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TessRose (May 11, 2020 at 20:43)
Closed for tree falling
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TessRose (May 11, 2020 at 20:43)
Closed for tree falling
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TessRose (May 11, 2020 at 20:43)
Closed for tree falling
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XyukonR (Nov 3, 2019 at 17:21)
If you like old skool and you like jank, this one's for you. A few fun rock rolls with lots of pedaling in between.
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ckuurn (Oct 27, 2019 at 17:24)
Of exposure
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ckuurn (Oct 27, 2019 at 17:24)
So fun lots exposure
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ckuurn (Oct 27, 2019 at 17:22)
Fun little trail
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ckuurn (Oct 27, 2019 at 17:18)
Great linkup but there isn’t really any ttfs except for the one small bridge
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nennarv (Sep 21, 2019 at 7:14)
Bench is mint
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abcnck (Apr 28, 2022 at 18:49)
Thank you
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pirate-ben (Sep 17, 2019 at 15:02)
Tree down after second section of woodwork, watch out.
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Grayout (Sep 2, 2019 at 18:35)
Trail Muffin Man
Great trail. Awesome climb and view at the top. Connects perfectly to existing loop.
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Grayout (Sep 2, 2019 at 18:35)
Trail Muffin Man
Great trail. Awesome climb and view at the top. Connects perfectly to existing loop.
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andrewbikeguide (Aug 24, 2019 at 13:40)
Trail Muffin Man
This trail is mint. Packing in really well but has some loose dusty corners and off camber compressions that might catch a few riders out especially when running it downhill towards the river. Great work by the Muni trail crew. Thank you.
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andrewbikeguide (Aug 24, 2019 at 13:40)
Trail Muffin Man
This trail is mint. Packing in really well but has some loose dusty corners and off camber compressions that might catch a few riders out especially when running it downhill towards the river. Great work by the Muni trail crew. Thank you.
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adrock-whistler (Aug 15, 2019 at 11:03)
Trail Muffin Man
A great addition to the Zappa/Lost Lake network, bravo WORCA! Some really creative rockwork and trail building has made for a much better ride from the north end. I was never really a fan of having to climb Hooktender.
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adrock-whistler (Aug 15, 2019 at 11:03)
Trail Muffin Man
A great addition to the Zappa/Lost Lake network, bravo WORCA! Some really creative rockwork and trail building has made for a much better ride from the north end. I was never really a fan of having to climb Hooktender.
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flipfantasia WORCA (Aug 15, 2019 at 11:17)
Trail Muffin Man
*RMOW built, WORCA/Vollies just did the bit from Foreplay to Scrutinizer
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flipfantasia WORCA (Aug 15, 2019 at 11:17)
Trail Muffin Man
*RMOW built, WORCA/Vollies just did the bit from Foreplay to Scrutinizer
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abcnck (Aug 7, 2019 at 13:21)
Can anyone that rides the trail let me know the condition of the memorial bench near the top? Thanks.
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deln78 (Jul 7, 2019 at 10:26)
Really cool trail. Mostly a series of rock rolls of different sizes with some pedaling between each.
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Dogride (Jun 3, 2019 at 15:09)
Thank U SNOWDAN for the bridge-rock-bridge replacement, runs so nice now!
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rmsraven (Jul 2, 2018 at 9:35)
What a way to finish Comfortably Numb! You find out if you have any gas in the tank and if you do, what fun! I love this trail! It's as advertised and I have found it is a good barometer of my progression in fitness (esp. core strength) and skills over the years. First time I did it, I got to this section and thought, you've got to be kidding. Totally kicked my butt but now gets more fun every year for me.
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NovemberCharlie (May 29, 2018 at 21:24)
Riding awesome right now!
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NovemberCharlie (May 20, 2018 at 20:04)
Fun section that is relatively flat but has some good pump, especially if you ride top down from Packard Goose. If you do come in from PG it is a stiff push up the rather steep entrance but well worth it.
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NovemberCharlie (May 20, 2018 at 20:00)
Apparently I go against the grain a little, dropping in from the top of Polers road at the intersection of Why Johnny Cant Read. Fun but short section that leads into Packard Goose. Beware of riders coming in the opposite direction.
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NovemberCharlie (May 20, 2018 at 19:57)
Fun little section for a rip. I generally drop in from the top after starting at I’m Not Satisfied, but can be ridden in both directions so heads up beware of other riders. Was nice and damp today after some overnight rain.
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aaronkoenig (Oct 27, 2017 at 20:09)
One of my favorites in whistler, with my usual way being to ride up yummy Mumby. This route allows for extensions too by riding up to golden door and around the numb loop
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Dan3beach (Oct 10, 2017 at 13:16)
Great trail, perfect conditions right now. Do it before snow comes!
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singlespeedgoat (Sep 2, 2017 at 15:30)
So tech and so good
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Dogride (Jul 26, 2017 at 18:18)
adamr1 is sooo right. This is truly one of the best trails that is so close to the village. Good climb up that is very much worth the pain.
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revitup (Jul 10, 2017 at 18:54)
Trail Grand Wazoo
One of my favourites! This trail is an easier blue with a few long low risk wooden bridges to get comfortable on. Nice bit of flow at the end too.
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wayneshort (Jul 10, 2017 at 6:15)
Trail Molly Hogan
Great trail to introduce new riders to Whistler.
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bikesandbarley (Jun 24, 2017 at 14:54)
XxRCdzd
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edwardso (May 16, 2017 at 14:20)
Trail Dwarf Nebula
Awesome downhill section and boardwalks
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adamr1 (Aug 6, 2015 at 10:33)
One of the best longer descents in Whistler. Black tech with rock rolls along the way.
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  • Riding area
  • Primary Activity
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  • Difficulty rating
    Blue
  • Route Type
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  • eBike Allowed
  • Bike type
    AM, XC
  • Direction
    One Direction
  • Physical rating
    Moderate
  • Ridelogs
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More Stats for The Arbutus Routes - Lost Lake Zappa Loop (Intermediate) mountain bike route
  • Altitude min
    2,095 ft
  • Altitude start
    2,237 ft
  • Altitude end
    2,234 ft
  • Grade
    -0%
  • Grade max
    -33.6%
  • Grade min
    31.8%
  • Distance climb
    3 miles
  • Distance down
    4 miles
  • Distance flat
    4,570 ft
Avg: 5 (5 votes)

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