6.3 miles
Distance
1,567 ft
Climb
-1,600 ft
Descent
1,987 ft
High Point

As much flow as you will find on Fromme with a bit of tech thrown in.

Detailed Description
What's this flow on Fromme? is a 6 mile popular expert route located near North Vancouver British Columbia. This mountain bike only route can be used one direction and has a moderate overall physical rating. This route includes 8 trails. This route climbs 1,567 ft with a max elevation of 1,987 ft then descends -1,600 ft.
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84 Reviews & Comments

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provin1327 (Jul 26, 2022 at 14:28)
Rode this west to east after exiting Expresso and holy crap this trail has some technical and challenging sections! Although there are some traversing sections on this trail that are blue in difficulty overall it's a black, a pretty difficult black at that. It's fun and challenging but if you are an intermediate rider this trail will eat you alive and you'll probably be walking a chunk of it.
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razzlebazzil SHORE CORPS (Jul 27, 2022 at 14:37)
You got it, it's the blackest blue trail on the shore! All I can say is you should have seen it 6 years ago. A few thousand hours over the last six years have gone into fixing up this section of trail. We haven't eliminated the gnar but there are some relatively smooth lines (albeit about 4" wide) through the rougher sections. This trail definitely helps folks progress!
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Pato76 (Jul 24, 2022 at 22:53)
Trail Floppy Bunny
Watch out at the bottom of the second ladder (at entrance) a big puddle hole scour that will harsh your fork. Still rideable but if you rode it before and your are not comfortable with such a hole check it before sending it.
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Cmguidroz (Jul 11, 2022 at 14:07)
Trail Expresso
This my be the holy grail of downhill fun technical trails as far as I’m concerned. It’s a trek to the top but god is it fun to ride down. Such a good time with moments of complete fear. Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you north shore!
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Fanysam (Jul 9, 2022 at 21:43)
Trail Bobsled
On a adoré!!!!!!
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maggiedurkin (Jun 20, 2022 at 22:03)
A bit of a surprise, a fun surprise, but after a pretty mellow traverse from expresso the trail changes it’s vibe quite drastically! Be prepared to ride through like 10 rock gardens. Very well put together rock gardens, but somewhat twisty rock gardens nonetheless. Helps to know what to expect! That being said still a great way to get back to the parking lot.
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Superepicguy264 (May 3, 2022 at 14:30)
Trail Expresso
Is a blue but has one section with a double black diamond rick roll and both ride arounds are black diamond
but easy to walk down
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SpecSRAM (Nov 8, 2021 at 10:42)
Ridden many times...decided to finally post a comment lol. I really only use BP to ride back out to the Upper Parking Lot and the final descent once you get past Big Stupid is no joke. You can create and carry some ridiculously fun speed down here. Be careful though, as hikers regularly use BP, both ways. You CAN get down the final descent in about 1:30, but your hands will not like it.
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Jake451mx (Oct 12, 2021 at 15:51)
Rode a big portion of this trail west to east it was really fun recommend for riders who like tech up and downs and picking lines great to have something a little rougher next to some of the more well groomed berm trails- variety is the key-
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Mcyeetus (Sep 26, 2021 at 12:04)
Trail Bobsled
Probably the best flow trail on fromme (can't decide between expresso or this). Such fun for intermediate/advanced riders to see how fast they can go and super fun for beginners getting into mountain biking, with low consequence features and virtually no tech.
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Mcyeetus (Sep 26, 2021 at 12:02)
Trail Expresso
An awesome trail on Fromme. Good mix of flow and a little tech. Also includes some harder features if you would like to challenge yourself but there are go around for all of them.
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Mcyeetus (Sep 25, 2021 at 16:36)
Trail Floppy Bunny
Very light black, but good trail nonetheless. Good features to progress on. Good trail for people progressing from blue to blacks or a warmup.
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gg444 (Sep 11, 2021 at 21:27)
Trail Expresso
Amazing entry level black, the best flow trail on the Shore by far (sorry Bobsled). I would consider it slightly easier than Floppy just becuase it's a bit more flowy and faster for intermediates, and definitely worth the climb. I always finish my day riding Expresso during golden hour.
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FancyMango (Aug 31, 2021 at 1:35)
Trail Expresso
Man, I want to go ride that trail for the first time, but I cant go alone. Maybe someday.
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98teg (Aug 24, 2021 at 19:49)
Trail Expresso
Love this trail, 2nd time riding it, the only crappy part his having to ride baden powel trail. Definitely an easier black, speed is you friend.
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b-rider (Aug 23, 2021 at 13:40)
Trail Expresso
I dropped my driver's license by accident at the entrance to Expresso today (Aug. 23). Realized this when I got to ladies only, went back up and it was gone. Pm me on pinkbike if you happened to pick it up.
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Caedmonkovacs (Jul 4, 2021 at 22:56)
Trail Bobsled
Amazing trail. Great for all skill levels. A must-try when you go to North Van. Really flowy with a lot of jumps.
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mario9000 (Jun 14, 2021 at 13:12)
Found a piece if wood with a 3" nail sticking up out of it on a bridge going eastward just before pipeline exit. Seemed to be placed there purposely. It has been disposed of now. I will upload an image.
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razzlebazzil SHORE CORPS (Jun 15, 2021 at 10:45)
Thank you for taking care of that. I'll swing through and take a good look.
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Wesmacaulay FVMBA - ADMIN (Jun 5, 2021 at 21:11)
Trail Expresso
First time on Espresso. Fun trail, mostly easy blue with some rock slab descents that are black.
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Wesmacaulay FVMBA - ADMIN (Jun 5, 2021 at 21:09)
A decent but challenging traverse trail back from Espresso. Some of the steeps could be made a bit more ridable. The large rock gardens will be dangerous for many riders if it's wet. Only worth riding west to east.
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Sterlingmarchand88 (Apr 17, 2021 at 17:56)
Trail Floppy Bunny
I just started riding this week and did two runs on this today! I had to walk sections since I’m super new but loved that there were easier options for me to test out as a newer rider. Felt really accomplished when I rode out 85% of the trail and had a blast testing myself on it. Can’t wait to keep progressing my skills up there and learning to hit some of the higher trails
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Nickapm (Mar 15, 2021 at 16:52)
Trail Bobsled
Amazing with the new wood and landing on the double wood drop option!
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quithollerin (Jan 21, 2021 at 10:16)
Yup. I can honestly say that I'm over Baden. It's now just another fee to pay if you want to ride Expresso. Shaves some life off of your bike everytime you ride it.
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98teg (Jan 4, 2021 at 22:27)
This was harder than floppy bunny and expresso
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ranchitup (Nov 23, 2020 at 21:53)
There are several sections on this trail that will f*ck a beginner up, especially in the wet. With that being said there are a few pretty fun sections on this trail and overall not terrible for a traverse.
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darcraver (Nov 14, 2020 at 19:39)
The trail totally rocks! Should have seen it 10-15 years ago Smile Great progression trail after the warmup on Expresso. Unbelievable amount of work done on this trail the last few years to make it more blue like, but it keeps fighting back Smile
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liamdubs (Aug 25, 2020 at 16:19)
Like everyone says, not a blue. This is some sort of a prank.
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MichaelDavidKendrick (Aug 15, 2020 at 15:13)
Trail Floppy Bunny
this trail is awesome. i love how it’s so accessible because you don’t have to climb to the top. and i also like how it’s beside bobsled. i like doing a couple laps of bobsled and floppy bunny
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  • + 0
ranchitup (Jul 22, 2020 at 22:30)
Trail Floppy Bunny
Awesome trail. Very similar in difficulty to Espresso. Comical that this is the same difficulty rating as Bookwus.
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ship-it-fed-ex NSMBA (Jul 22, 2020 at 23:28)
Trail Floppy Bunny
Sometimes 1-2 features can make a trail rated the way it is. Realistically this should be a blue with black options. Waving on the side of caution and liability I think the black rating is just fine. Hope you like it.
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Senduuuuur (Jul 14, 2020 at 13:17)
Trail Floppy Bunny
Love this trail! Taught me how to ride tech!
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Senduuuuur (Jun 5, 2020 at 16:44)
Trail Bobsled
Great trail!!! Running super well with just a few braking bumps on a couple berms. Great trail for an intermediate rider and above. Not so much for beginners as it has a few features (wall ride, drop). Best flow trail on the shore!
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Edu888 (May 14, 2020 at 21:07)
Trail Expresso
Blue trail with black options. If you don't ride the optional stuff, it's solidly a blue trail.
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SeventhSecret (Apr 28, 2020 at 20:48)
Agree with the comments here -- this is by far the blackest blue trail anywhere on the North Shore. It tends to get pretty beaten up as well, and can get super-gnarly. There are several corners on the downhill section going East towards Mtn Highway (from Espresso / Pipeline, etc.), that are essentially steep rock gardens, and pretty slippery especially when they're wet. Not to mention the beginning of the downhill section... the mandatory steep ladder onto steep rock garden, with a slight left turn at the bottom, would be pretty intimidating, even for a black trail.
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SpecSRAM (Nov 8, 2021 at 11:18)
Its a super fun thrill ride! Big Grin
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JTJ10 (Apr 13, 2020 at 11:25)
Trail Floppy Bunny
Don't know if i would rate the trail blue as there are a few parts that are a little techy and steep(especially at the start if you are used to trails like bobsled) but for sure a fun entry level black thats a small taste of whats to come higher up the mountain. If you are a less experienced rider like I am getting into black diamond trails and trying to improve
or just wondering what a soft black trail looks like on fromme this trail is great, just make sure you know where the optional features are so you dont go down them accidentally.

All around an awesome trail perfect for building up skill level through optional and mandatory features that arnt too hard and are safe aswell as a great quick warm up run before the long climb!
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JTJ10 (Apr 11, 2020 at 12:53)
Trail Expresso
Rode the trail a couple days ago for the first time. Although its rated blue on trail forks there are some harder sections and some decent drops, this may partly be because the trail has gotten a bit beaten up from winter and all the traffic it receives but with the current virus situation there may not be much trail maintenance for a while so keep that in mind if your expecting something really blue your first time down the trail. Still a really fun trail and great entry level black diamond, if you can handle floppy bunny(the more techy parts and bridges not the optional jumps) and you want to step it up I would recommend it, the climb is long in comparison but its a fun trail with the hardest features optional so you can work your way up to them, also the hardest non-optional parts are pretty easy to walk and there are only a couple.

All around awesome entry level black trail and im exited to ride it again in the next couple of days!
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JTJ10 (Apr 4, 2020 at 9:56)
Trail Bobsled
Trail in great shape, although its voted green there are some parts that are blue. Great for newer riders just go to the left when you see the sign with arrows (right has two drops, one with and one without a roll down) and if you want a smoother exit take another left when the trail splits as to the right is the original exit which is still great but has a few drops and rocks where as the new exit (left) is super flowy and easy and takes you right to the parking lot.
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krankieYak (Feb 20, 2020 at 14:40)
Trail Bobsled
Some of the new features look great! Trail is riding well. Sadly I lost my Trailforks hat on the trail today.
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nohypebikes (Feb 11, 2020 at 10:50)
Trail Bobsled
Trail wet but clear
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brenthillier NSMBA (Jan 1, 2020 at 6:59)
Trail Bobsled
Not a Green, drives me nuts that people are voting it that. Clearly most riders have never ridden with a pure beginner or young rider on a 16" wheeled bike. It's a Blue Flow trail.
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GreenJelly (Oct 6, 2019 at 19:14)
Trail Bobsled
This is a fun trail. Nicely maintained and a great warm up ride.
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thierrym (Sep 28, 2019 at 18:09)
Trail Expresso
Funand and pretty fast, with lots of kickers.
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B-Rough (Aug 16, 2019 at 20:46)
Similar to many of the comments above I took this trail as a connector from Expresso. This trail did surprise me as due to the rock paths they have created (I think for hikers) it is actually pretty challenging, definitely harder than Expresso in my view.
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Sunnylarson (Jul 30, 2019 at 7:01)
Trail Expresso
Super fun. Great North Shore flava.
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Sunnylarson (Jul 30, 2019 at 6:59)
Trail Bobsled
Fun trail. Good one to start the kids out on a flow trail.
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Sunnylarson (Jul 30, 2019 at 6:58)
Trail Bobsled
Fun trail. Good for newbies.
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Skooks (Jul 23, 2019 at 7:15)
Trail Floppy Bunny
Cougar and cub on lower floppy. Be careful!
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lilnorthshoreshredder (Jun 10, 2019 at 7:18)
Trail Bobsled
Lots of recent work. Might need a bit more in sections. Large drop has been blocked off for some reason and they added dirt on the first bridge (maybe to improve traction?)
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JemSamonte (May 7, 2019 at 21:16)
Rode this trail after trying Expresso the 2nd time. Was very technical for me but was really fun. Walked most of the uphill part and some sketchy descent. You just have to be mindful since a lot of hikers are on this trail as well. Will definitely try again this weekend after pipeline or expresso.
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HeinousShanous (Apr 28, 2019 at 17:53)
Trail Floppy Bunny
Super fun trail, some relatively easy and fun jumps and drops, great way to warmup and have a bit of fun before the climb
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Rachel11 (Apr 21, 2019 at 15:24)
Trail Bobsled
Fantastic trail! ????????
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andreyapopov (Mar 28, 2019 at 13:44)
This is NOT a blue trail; it should be marked as black diamond. I ride blue trails almost exclusively with couple black ones thrown in, and this one is by far the hardest I've done. There are some "black" trail in Squamish and Seymour that are easier than this one.
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andreyapopov (Mar 28, 2019 at 13:48)
In fact, Expresso - black rated trail - is much easier than this one.
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martywis (Mar 25, 2019 at 8:51)
Trail Expresso
Hi Guys, I was riding Saturday around 4:00 and saw couple of guys on eBikes riding cross country through the woods (maybe crossing between Crippler and ESpresso)...
Unfortunately I did not manage to talk to them - but if anybody knows who they were or sees them again, please highlite that riding off trails with ebikes especially will cause damage to our sport and the fantastic location on the northshore.

btw. I am a eMTB rider as well... and there is more then enough fun on the perfect existing trails!

Please respect and share this attitude!!!!

Marty
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PembyKonaRider (Mar 16, 2019 at 15:11)
Trail Bobsled
Not ready, still a lot of snow and ice. Hike a bike up the road.
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Edu888 (Jan 27, 2019 at 16:16)
Took the trail to go back to the parking lot after Espresso and I can safely say that this trail is significantly harder. Super steep rocky climbs lead to super steep rocky descents. The descents are really fun though.
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KevinStafford (Oct 17, 2018 at 15:23)
Trail Bobsled
You know how when you go for a breakfast buffet and, if you're like me, you reach for the bacon first? But you only grab maybe 4 or 6 pieces because there's so many other delicious items, like hash browns, eggs, and maybe even some prime rib? So when you clean your plate, and think about seconds, sadly you're just too full.
You know you'll be hungry later, and you'll regret not filling your plate with more of that crispy bacon.
Well bacon to a breakfast buffet is what Bob Sled is to Mt Fromme.
Go for seconds.
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crashelman (Sep 14, 2018 at 11:27)
Trail Expresso
Great trail with good flow for the shore
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JacksonThack (Sep 3, 2018 at 10:00)
Trail Expresso
Awesome trail. Best bet for intermediate riders looking to explore higher up the mountain
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JacksonThack (Jul 30, 2018 at 8:56)
This trail is exceptionally technical with massive uphill rock gardens, steep stairs, and not much fun for me as an intermediate rider
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DylanZ91 (Jul 3, 2018 at 21:03)
Trail Bobsled
A great flow trail for everyone!
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KevinStafford (Apr 4, 2018 at 6:27)
Yeah, that was the blackest blue I've ever ridden. However, I had a great time rolling those steps and re enforced stone descents back to parking. Great trail in its own right.
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KarinB (Mar 31, 2018 at 17:28)
Trail Bobsled
Great beginners trail, just enough challenges
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konarider112 (Mar 16, 2018 at 20:55)
This is the hardest blue trail I’ve ever ridden. Especially east to west; I had to push my bike.
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timvan (Jan 10, 2018 at 16:24)
Trail Bobsled
I rode it with my kids a few times the other day. Fast and fun trail as always. They definitely enjoyed the new exit (Bobsled Spur) more than the traditional exit (which has a few drops).
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super8 (Dec 16, 2017 at 12:36)
Trail Bobsled
Incredible shape.
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desmondhowl (Sep 25, 2017 at 10:18)
Trail Floppy Bunny
THis trail rules. As a newer rider it has some nice features that are helping me progress as a rider. I like that the small drops have clear landings. As i grow more comfortable I can try more difficult ones up the hill. Thanks to the builder.
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ship-it-fed-ex NSMBA (Sep 25, 2017 at 17:23)
Trail Floppy Bunny
Glad you like it! Exactly why I built it like that! Keep the progression going!!

Pat
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chris-mcintyre (Sep 24, 2017 at 17:02)
Trail Floppy Bunny
Really fun, fast flow trails with lots of super fun drops and jumps! It would be awesome to have a jump/drop line once you get to the pedal section at the end but it’s great the way it is!
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Ledski (Aug 16, 2017 at 19:30)
Much harder than expected and quite challenging to ride east to west. Quite technical.
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Ledski (Aug 16, 2017 at 19:29)
Trail Floppy Bunny
Super chill flow/jump line. Easy and accessible.
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Ledski (Aug 16, 2017 at 19:27)
Trail Expresso
Pretty soft black as far as I'm concerned.
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Ledski (Aug 16, 2017 at 19:27)
Trail Expresso
Fun mostly flow downhill with optional built up features.
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WilliamCornock (Jul 28, 2017 at 18:52)
Trail Floppy Bunny
Just did this one for the first time to day and loved it. All the optionals are great as I'm not too experienced and am trying to improve my skills. Seems like a good trail for progression.
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Sharonb (Sep 23, 2016 at 20:37)
Trail Floppy Bunny
The trail was originally called green tunnel, a fun fast loamy trail that was easy and fun. Continued use and rain made it the nasty chunder it was. Someone went in and built a bunch of ghetto stunts.

Pat has been working hard to put it back to the easy gentle trail it originally was.

Not quite as natural, but what do you expect after years or use and weather.
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rvass (Sep 23, 2016 at 17:24)
Trail Floppy Bunny
There are so many gnarly trails. People put hard work into those trails. Dont complain just keep pedalling to grannie pipeline ladies oilcan. Gota be something for everyone. I like gnarly trails too. Thats why i go up higher but im not gona rip someone who put all that effort in. Go ride floppy for 1.5mins and go back up for the rest of your ride. No pleasing people on the shore anymore
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an3a (Sep 23, 2016 at 12:27)
Trail Floppy Bunny
Guys, please stop throwing so much dirt at the trail. I loved the before last upgrade (new entrance), but the very last one was too much. Just flowy now, no more gnarl..
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ship-it-fed-ex NSMBA (Sep 23, 2016 at 12:47)
Trail Floppy Bunny
Thanks for the positive feedback. I will be following my vision I've had for the trail, I've invested 5 years into this trail and I can't please everyone. We have plenty of harder trails up the mountain that are much rougher and have the experience you are looking for.
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CRich78 (May 1, 2015 at 19:20)
Trail Floppy Bunny
New entrance and drop are awesome! Looking forward to seeing what's in store for the old jumps.
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adriannorthshore (Nov 9, 2014 at 17:44)
Trail Bobsled
best flow trail on fromme, makes it an awesome warm-up lap
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JTJ10 (Aug 10, 2014 at 12:52)
Trail Bobsled
This is one of my favorite trails on fromme. mostly flow really fun!
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  • Difficulty rating
    Black Diamond
  • Route Type
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  • Bike type
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  • Direction
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  • Physical rating
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  • Altitude start
    1,126 ft
  • Altitude end
    1,093 ft
  • Grade
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  • Grade max
    -107.2%
  • Grade min
    44.9%
  • Distance climb
    4 miles
  • Distance down
    2 miles
  • Distance flat
    1,207 ft
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Baden Powell (Fromme Section)
Aug 8, 2022 @ 7:47pm
11 hours
6” tree down across trail just east of executioner exit. reporter
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Some loose spots but overall real nice!
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El fantastico as always!
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