2.0 miles
Distance
277 ft
Climb
-527 ft
Descent
00:30:06
Avg time
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  • Activities
    • Mountain Bike
    • Hike
    • Trail Running
  • Riding Area
    Mount Fromme
    North Vancouver, British Columbia
  • Difficulty Rating
  • Voted Difficulty
    Black Diamond (22 votes)
  • Hiking SAC Scale
    T1 Hiking
  • Trail Type
    Singletrack
  • Bike Type
    AM, XC
  • Direction
    Both Directions
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  • Climb Difficulty
    Black Diamond
  • Physical Rating
    Hard
  • Trail Visibility
    Always easy to follow
  • Season
    Year round
  • Dogs Allowed
    Yes
  • TTFs on Trail
    Bridge, Ladder Bridge, Rock Garden
  • Ride in Rain
    Yes
  • Global Ranking
    #49652 in Mountain Biking [+]
    • #227 in Trail Running
    • #1256 in Hiking
  • Local Popularity
    25 in Mountain Biking [+]
    • 90 in Trail Running
    • 80 in Hiking
  • Land Owner
    District of North Vancouver

The well known Baden Powell trail is named after Lord Baden-Powell, the founder of the Scouting Movement and was built in honor of British Columbia's 100th anniversary as a Canadian province. Much of the trail was built by Boy Scouts and Girl Guides and officially opened in 1971. The building of the trail was led by Dirk Oostindie, North Vancouver's first Parks Manager (1959-1993) and Boy Scout leader.

Over the years sections have been improved to the point where it can be ridden West to East. The trail can be ridden East to West but is more challenging in this direction as there are some hike-a-bike sections for the mere-mortals amongst us.

The trail is used to connect the various trails on Fromme, or as a cross-mountain transport. Mostly a blue trail but there are some black if not double black sections that take a few tries to master and those new to riding should check out before attempting to ride.

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More Stats for Baden Powell (Fromme Section) multi-use trail trail
  • Altitude change
    -250 ft
  • Altitude min
    1,129 ft
  • Altitude max
    1,605 ft
  • Altitude start
    1,380 ft
  • Altitude end
    1,129 ft
  • Grade
    -2.4%
  • Grade max
    -45.2%
  • Grade min
    24.5%
  • Distance climb
    4,744 ft
  • Distance down
    4,970 ft
  • Distance flat
    715 ft
  • Avg time
    00:30:06
  • Avg reverse time
    00:24:23
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on Feb 5, 2023
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Avg: 2.85 (47 votes)
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      Baden Powell... Trail Reports

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      Feb 5, 2023 @ 5:34pm
      21 hours
      reporter
      Cleared some drains, closed a braid, did a Little Rock armouring and raked the trail. One photo shows slats on a bridge that are not in great...
      Jan 30, 2023 @ 5:22pm
      Jan 30, 2023
      Tree down in between upper digger and lower oilcan.
      Nov 30, 2022 @ 6:40am
      Nov 30, 2022
      reporter
      Rebuilt lowest dirt step of Stairs of Despair, and re-armoured the runout. And lots of fresh gold! With More Bikes crew.
      Nov 21, 2022 @ 7:27pm
      Nov 21, 2022
      reporter Expresso to mtn highway riding good
      Nov 15, 2022 @ 6:05pm
      Nov 15, 2022
      Running great. Stairs of Despair from Lower Expresso to lot. Cannot comment on anything above.
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      Recent Ridelog Activity on Trail

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      • 16 miles avg distance
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      • 193 rides
      • Last: Nov 5, 2022

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      Trail Lists

      24 Reviews & Comments

      • + 1
      theconorcons (Dec 8, 2022 at 15:06)
      I love this trail. Very challenging, but there is flow to be found here if you find the lines and the speed! The builders are doing a great job making it more rideable while still keeping lots of the challenge. Always a challenge to clean the whole section from Expresso to Mountain Highway, that one climb is tough!
      [Reply]
      • + 1
      provin1327 (Jul 26, 2022 at 14:28)
      Rode this west to east after exiting Expresso and holy crap this trail has some technical and challenging sections! Although there are some traversing sections on this trail that are blue in difficulty overall it's a black, a pretty difficult black at that. It's fun and challenging but if you are an intermediate rider this trail will eat you alive and you'll probably be walking a chunk of it.
      [Reply]
      • + 2
      razzlebazzil SHORE CORPS (Jul 27, 2022 at 14:37)
      You got it, it's the blackest blue trail on the shore! All I can say is you should have seen it 6 years ago. A few thousand hours over the last six years have gone into fixing up this section of trail. We haven't eliminated the gnar but there are some relatively smooth lines (albeit about 4" wide) through the rougher sections. This trail definitely helps folks progress!
      [Reply]
      • + 0
      maggiedurkin (Jun 20, 2022 at 22:03)
      A bit of a surprise, a fun surprise, but after a pretty mellow traverse from expresso the trail changes it’s vibe quite drastically! Be prepared to ride through like 10 rock gardens. Very well put together rock gardens, but somewhat twisty rock gardens nonetheless. Helps to know what to expect! That being said still a great way to get back to the parking lot.
      [Reply]
      • + 4
      SpecSRAM (Nov 8, 2021 at 10:42)
      Ridden many times...decided to finally post a comment lol. I really only use BP to ride back out to the Upper Parking Lot and the final descent once you get past Big Stupid is no joke. You can create and carry some ridiculously fun speed down here. Be careful though, as hikers regularly use BP, both ways. You CAN get down the final descent in about 1:30, but your hands will not like it.
      [Reply]
      • + 1
      mario9000 (Jun 14, 2021 at 13:12)
      Found a piece if wood with a 3" nail sticking up out of it on a bridge going eastward just before pipeline exit. Seemed to be placed there purposely. It has been disposed of now. I will upload an image.
      [Reply]
      • + 2
      razzlebazzil SHORE CORPS (Jun 15, 2021 at 10:45)
      Thank you for taking care of that. I'll swing through and take a good look.
      [Reply]
      • + 1
      Wesmacaulay FVMBA - ADMIN (Jun 5, 2021 at 21:09)
      A decent but challenging traverse trail back from Espresso. Some of the steeps could be made a bit more ridable. The large rock gardens will be dangerous for many riders if it's wet. Only worth riding west to east.
      [Reply]
      • - 1
      quithollerin (Jan 21, 2021 at 10:16)
      Yup. I can honestly say that I'm over Baden. It's now just another fee to pay if you want to ride Expresso. Shaves some life off of your bike everytime you ride it.
      [Reply]
      • + 3
      98teg (Jan 4, 2021 at 22:27)
      This was harder than floppy bunny and expresso
      [Reply]
      • + 1
      ranchitup (Nov 23, 2020 at 21:53)
      There are several sections on this trail that will f*ck a beginner up, especially in the wet. With that being said there are a few pretty fun sections on this trail and overall not terrible for a traverse.
      [Reply]
      • + 3
      darcraver (Nov 14, 2020 at 19:39)
      The trail totally rocks! Should have seen it 10-15 years ago Smile Great progression trail after the warmup on Expresso. Unbelievable amount of work done on this trail the last few years to make it more blue like, but it keeps fighting back Smile
      [Reply]
      • + 3
      liamdubs (Aug 25, 2020 at 16:19)
      Like everyone says, not a blue. This is some sort of a prank.
      [Reply]
      • + 6
      SeventhSecret (Apr 28, 2020 at 20:48)
      Agree with the comments here -- this is by far the blackest blue trail anywhere on the North Shore. It tends to get pretty beaten up as well, and can get super-gnarly. There are several corners on the downhill section going East towards Mtn Highway (from Espresso / Pipeline, etc.), that are essentially steep rock gardens, and pretty slippery especially when they're wet. Not to mention the beginning of the downhill section... the mandatory steep ladder onto steep rock garden, with a slight left turn at the bottom, would be pretty intimidating, even for a black trail.
      [Reply]
      • + 2
      SpecSRAM (Nov 8, 2021 at 11:18)
      Its a super fun thrill ride! Big Grin
      [Reply]
      • + 3
      B-Rough (Aug 16, 2019 at 20:46)
      Similar to many of the comments above I took this trail as a connector from Expresso. This trail did surprise me as due to the rock paths they have created (I think for hikers) it is actually pretty challenging, definitely harder than Expresso in my view.
      [Reply]
      • + 3
      JemSamonte (May 7, 2019 at 21:16)
      Rode this trail after trying Expresso the 2nd time. Was very technical for me but was really fun. Walked most of the uphill part and some sketchy descent. You just have to be mindful since a lot of hikers are on this trail as well. Will definitely try again this weekend after pipeline or expresso.
      [Reply]
      • + 6
      andreyapopov (Mar 28, 2019 at 13:44)
      This is NOT a blue trail; it should be marked as black diamond. I ride blue trails almost exclusively with couple black ones thrown in, and this one is by far the hardest I've done. There are some "black" trail in Squamish and Seymour that are easier than this one.
      [Reply]
      • + 5
      andreyapopov (Mar 28, 2019 at 13:48)
      In fact, Expresso - black rated trail - is much easier than this one.
      [Reply]
      • + 3
      Edu888 (Jan 27, 2019 at 16:16)
      Took the trail to go back to the parking lot after Espresso and I can safely say that this trail is significantly harder. Super steep rocky climbs lead to super steep rocky descents. The descents are really fun though.
      [Reply]
      • + 4
      JacksonThack (Jul 30, 2018 at 8:56)
      This trail is exceptionally technical with massive uphill rock gardens, steep stairs, and not much fun for me as an intermediate rider
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      • + 4
      KevinStafford (Apr 4, 2018 at 6:27)
      Yeah, that was the blackest blue I've ever ridden. However, I had a great time rolling those steps and re enforced stone descents back to parking. Great trail in its own right.
      [Reply]
      • + 3
      konarider112 (Mar 16, 2018 at 20:55)
      This is the hardest blue trail I’ve ever ridden. Especially east to west; I had to push my bike.
      [Reply]
      • + 3
      Ledski (Aug 16, 2017 at 19:30)
      Much harder than expected and quite challenging to ride east to west. Quite technical.
      [Reply]





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