2.0 miles
Distance
293 ft
Climb
-545 ft
Descent
00:28:27
Avg time
Supporters, Builders, Maintainers & Land Managers of Baden Powell (Fromme Section) Trail

Details

  • Activities
    • Mountain Bike
    • Hike
    • Trail Running
  • Riding Area
    Mount Fromme
    North Vancouver, British Columbia
  • Difficulty Rating
    Blue rate
  • Voted Difficulty
    Black Diamond (19 votes)
  • Hiking SAC Scale
    T1 Hiking
  • Trail Type
    Singletrack
  • Bike Type
    AM, XC
  • Direction
    Both Directions
    Popular direction shown
  • Climb Difficulty
    Black Diamond
  • Physical Rating
    Hard
  • Trail Visibility
    Always easy to follow
  • Season
    Year round
  • Dogs Allowed
    Yes
  • TTFs on Trail
    Bridge, Ladder Bridge, Rock Garden
  • Ride in Rain
    Yes
  • Global Ranking
    #49652 in Mountain Biking [+]
    • #227 in Trail Running
    • #1256 in Hiking
  • Local Popularity
    25 in Mountain Biking [+]
    • 85 in Trail Running
    • 85 in Hiking
  • Land Manager
    District of North Vancouver

The well known Baden Powell trail is named after Lord Baden-Powell, the founder of the Scouting Movement and was built in honor of British Columbia's 100th anniversary as a Canadian province. Much of the trail was built by Boy Scouts and Girl Guides and officially opened in 1971. The building of the trail was led by Dirk Oostindie, North Vancouver's first Parks Manager (1959-1993) and Boy Scout leader.

Over the years sections have been improved to the point where it can be ridden West to East. The trail can be ridden East to West but is more challenging in this direction as there are some hike-a-bike sections for the mere-mortals amongst us.

The trail is used to connect the various trails on Fromme, or as a cross-mountain transport. Mostly a blue trail but there are some black if not double black sections that take a few tries to master and those new to riding should check out before attempting to ride.

Local Trail Association
Traditionally Indigenous Territory
More Stats for Baden Powell (Fromme Section) bike trail trail
  • Altitude change
    -252 ft
  • Altitude min
    1,119 ft
  • Altitude max
    1,605 ft
  • Altitude start
    1,370 ft
  • Altitude end
    1,119 ft
  • Grade
    -2.4%
  • Grade max
    -44.1%
  • Grade min
    24.5%
  • Distance climb
    4,646 ft
  • Distance down
    5,217 ft
  • Distance flat
    564 ft
  • Avg time
    00:28:27
  • Avg reverse time
    00:19:38
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Status:
on Oct 24, 2021
Dry
Avg: 2.8 (43 votes)

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  • Freeze/thaw Cycle
  • Icy
  • Prevalent Mud
  • Wet
  • Variable
  • Ideal
  • Dry
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      Baden Powell... Trail Reports

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      Oct 24, 2021 @ 1:44pm
      1 day
      Oct 24, 2021 @ 1:44pm
      1 day
      		 Fallen tree!
      Oct 24, 2021 @ 1:38pm
      1 day
      		 Tree down! 8”ish diameter near entrance of Lower Ladies
      Oct 24, 2021 @ 12:12pm
      1 day
      		 Tree down just before lower ladies entrance.
      Sep 25, 2021 @ 6:03pm
      Sep 25, 2021
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      Recent Ridelog Activity on Trail

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      6 Months
      • 28 rides
      • 11 miles avg distance
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      • 122 rides
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      Trail Products

      19 Reviews & Comments

      • + 2
      Ledski (Aug 16, 2017 at 19:30)
       Much harder than expected and quite challenging to ride east to west. Quite technical.
      [Reply]
      • + 2
      konarider112 (Mar 16, 2018 at 20:55)
       This is the hardest blue trail I’ve ever ridden. Especially east to west; I had to push my bike.
      [Reply]
      • + 3
      KevinStafford (Apr 4, 2018 at 6:27)
       Yeah, that was the blackest blue I've ever ridden. However, I had a great time rolling those steps and re enforced stone descents back to parking. Great trail in its own right.
      [Reply]
      • + 1
      JacksonThack (Jul 30, 2018 at 8:56)
       This trail is exceptionally technical with massive uphill rock gardens, steep stairs, and not much fun for me as an intermediate rider
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      • + 2
      Edu888 (Jan 27, 2019 at 16:16)
       Took the trail to go back to the parking lot after Espresso and I can safely say that this trail is significantly harder. Super steep rocky climbs lead to super steep rocky descents. The descents are really fun though.
      [Reply]
      • + 4
      andreyapopov (Mar 28, 2019 at 13:44)
       This is NOT a blue trail; it should be marked as black diamond. I ride blue trails almost exclusively with couple black ones thrown in, and this one is by far the hardest I've done. There are some "black" trail in Squamish and Seymour that are easier than this one.
      [Reply]
      • + 4
      andreyapopov (Mar 28, 2019 at 13:48)
       In fact, Expresso - black rated trail - is much easier than this one.
      [Reply]
      • + 2
      JemSamonte (May 7, 2019 at 21:16)
       Rode this trail after trying Expresso the 2nd time. Was very technical for me but was really fun. Walked most of the uphill part and some sketchy descent. You just have to be mindful since a lot of hikers are on this trail as well. Will definitely try again this weekend after pipeline or expresso.
      [Reply]
      • + 1
      B-Rough (Aug 16, 2019 at 20:46)
       Similar to many of the comments above I took this trail as a connector from Expresso. This trail did surprise me as due to the rock paths they have created (I think for hikers) it is actually pretty challenging, definitely harder than Expresso in my view.
      [Reply]
      • + 5
      SeventhSecret (Apr 28, 2020 at 20:48)
       Agree with the comments here -- this is by far the blackest blue trail anywhere on the North Shore. It tends to get pretty beaten up as well, and can get super-gnarly. There are several corners on the downhill section going East towards Mtn Highway (from Espresso / Pipeline, etc.), that are essentially steep rock gardens, and pretty slippery especially when they're wet. Not to mention the beginning of the downhill section... the mandatory steep ladder onto steep rock garden, with a slight left turn at the bottom, would be pretty intimidating, even for a black trail.
      [Reply]
      • + 1
      liamdubs (Aug 25, 2020 at 16:19)
       Like everyone says, not a blue. This is some sort of a prank.
      [Reply]
      • + 3
      darcraver (Nov 14, 2020 at 19:39)
       The trail totally rocks! Should have seen it 10-15 years ago Smile Great progression trail after the warmup on Expresso. Unbelievable amount of work done on this trail the last few years to make it more blue like, but it keeps fighting back Smile
      [Reply]
      • + 1
      ranchitup (Nov 23, 2020 at 21:53)
       There are several sections on this trail that will f*ck a beginner up, especially in the wet. With that being said there are a few pretty fun sections on this trail and overall not terrible for a traverse.
      [Reply]
      • + 1
      98teg (Jan 4, 2021 at 22:27)
       This was harder than floppy bunny and expresso
      [Reply]
      • - 1
      quithollerin (Jan 21, 2021 at 10:16)
       Yup. I can honestly say that I'm over Baden. It's now just another fee to pay if you want to ride Expresso. Shaves some life off of your bike everytime you ride it.
      [Reply]
      • + 1
      Wesmacaulay FVMBA - ADMIN (Jun 5, 2021 at 21:09)
       A decent but challenging traverse trail back from Espresso. Some of the steeps could be made a bit more ridable. The large rock gardens will be dangerous for many riders if it's wet. Only worth riding west to east.
      [Reply]
      • + 1
      mario9000 (Jun 14, 2021 at 13:12)
       Found a piece if wood with a 3" nail sticking up out of it on a bridge going eastward just before pipeline exit. Seemed to be placed there purposely. It has been disposed of now. I will upload an image.
      [Reply]
      • + 2
      razzlebazzil SHORE CORPS (Jun 15, 2021 at 10:45)
       Thank you for taking care of that. I'll swing through and take a good look.
      [Reply]
      • + 0
      Jake451mx (Oct 12, 2021 at 15:51)
       Rode a big portion of this trail west to east it was really fun recommend for riders who like tech up and downs and picking lines great to have something a little rougher next to some of the more well groomed berm trails- variety is the key-
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