This trail is permanently closed/decommissioned
3,148 ft
Distance
-633 ft
Descent
00:13:33
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Pink Starfish Details
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Activities
- Mountain Bike
- Hike
- Trail Running
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Riding AreaMount Fromme
North Vancouver, British Columbia -
Difficulty Rating
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Voted DifficultyProline (1 vote)
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Trail TypeSingletrack
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Bike TypeDH
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Trail UsageBiking Primary
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DirectionDownhill PrimaryPopular direction shown
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Dogs AllowedYes
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TTFs on TrailDrop, Jump, Skinny
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Local Popularity15 in Mountain Biking [+]
- 15 in Trail Running
- 20 in Hiking
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Land ManagerGrouse (first 30m distance) & DNV
Contains mandatory jumps with ride-arounds. Classic whiplash inducing drop to flat terrain. Not for beginner riders.
Some history: Starfish was built by Dave Moody in the mid 90s. It was built with all the skinnies, features and the Ogopogo log in super creative fashion by Dave through the North Shore Pathways Society.
Access Info
Acessed off Mountain Hwy exiting on the Baden Powell at Abelard Canyon.
Disclaimer
marking trail as closed
More Stats for Pink Starfish mountain bike trail
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Altitude change-633 ft
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Altitude min1,562 ft
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Altitude max2,195 ft
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Altitude start2,195 ft
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Altitude end1,562 ft
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Grade-20.114%
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Grade max-61.419%
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Grade min-1.147%
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Distance down3,106 ft
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Distance flat42 ft
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Avg time00:13:33
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Avg reverse time00:20:26
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- Snow Groomed
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- Icy
- Prevalent Mud
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- Variable
- Ideal
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- Unknown
- Snow Groomed
- Snow Packed
- Snow Covered
- Freeze/thaw Cycle
- Icy
- Prevalent Mud
- Wet
- Variable
- Ideal
- Dry
- Very Dry
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Directions to pink-starfish trailhead
(49.358400, -123.062340)
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Pink Starfish Trail Reports
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Recent Ridelog Activity on Trail
Past Week
- 0 rides
6 Months
- 4 rides
- 7 miles avg distance
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- 86 rides
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T-ROB
(Jul 20, 2016 at 21:41)
I for one have had enough of the systemic and purposeful destruction of freeride by selective decommissioning of our trails. I have had enough of the cross country dad mandate on fromme. The nsmba and the dnv are only promoting enduro and throwing downhillers and freeriders under the bus.
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T-ROB
(Jul 20, 2016 at 21:56)
Have a look at this trail map from 03 and see which trails have been adopted and which been closed www.mobilemaplets.com/showplace/9936
Upper oil can, boundary and digger are clearly at risk with high difficulty and no listed trail sponsor
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Upper oil can, boundary and digger are clearly at risk with high difficulty and no listed trail sponsor
UOC is adopted by some trailbuilders. DL and others rebuilt the woodwork in very good fashion. He told me he even took pics of the old stunts before so he could match the shape and feel when he rebuilt.
Boundary is being actively worked on by KG and is also running really well
Not sure what the status is of Digger.
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Boundary is being actively worked on by KG and is also running really well
Not sure what the status is of Digger.
oesk1
(Jul 20, 2016 at 22:17)
I was just looking at this the other day and it was open . will go ride it tommorw
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July 23, 2016 update by NSMBA that Pink Starfish was closed by DNV Parks in Trail Reports.
PS was open till last week. Did Patrick Podolski building his unauthorized structures and publicizing them via his Golden Dirt Trails instagram cause DNV's actions? Or was it because the NSMBA violated the terms of its permit on PS that caused DNV to take action? Or did the NSMBA not have a permit for PS?
What does it mean that PS is now closed? Will PS now not be rideable?
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PS was open till last week. Did Patrick Podolski building his unauthorized structures and publicizing them via his Golden Dirt Trails instagram cause DNV's actions? Or was it because the NSMBA violated the terms of its permit on PS that caused DNV to take action? Or did the NSMBA not have a permit for PS?
What does it mean that PS is now closed? Will PS now not be rideable?
Just a quick note as NSMBA has posted a trail update on June 26
nsmba.ca/content/2016-07_26072016-%E2%80%93-pink-starfish-update
From the NSMBA ----
"Jointly, the District of North Vancouver (DNV) and the North Shore Mountain Bike Association (NSMBA) would like to advise the public of a temporary moratorium on trail work having been placed on Pink Starfish.
The status of the trail will be re-evaluated this fall. In the interim, old structures have been removed by the land manager and decking on new structures has been removed by the NSMBA. The NSMBA continues to comply with all Land Manager procedures regarding permitting and trail work.
To inform the ridership of these changes, the status of Pink Starfish has been updated to closed on Trailforks.
If you have any questions, please email the NSMBA at info@nsmba.ca."
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nsmba.ca/content/2016-07_26072016-%E2%80%93-pink-starfish-update
From the NSMBA ----
"Jointly, the District of North Vancouver (DNV) and the North Shore Mountain Bike Association (NSMBA) would like to advise the public of a temporary moratorium on trail work having been placed on Pink Starfish.
The status of the trail will be re-evaluated this fall. In the interim, old structures have been removed by the land manager and decking on new structures has been removed by the NSMBA. The NSMBA continues to comply with all Land Manager procedures regarding permitting and trail work.
To inform the ridership of these changes, the status of Pink Starfish has been updated to closed on Trailforks.
If you have any questions, please email the NSMBA at info@nsmba.ca."
I checked with the DNV and what they say and what the NSMBA has to say has quite a few variations.
First, DNV didn't ask for Starfish to be closed. NSMBA marked Starfish as closed/decommissioned. DNV said I should ask NSMBA why they are closing trails
Second, DNV is checking its own records to see if there was a recent permit issued to build new structures on Pink Starfish. They indicated that building new structures on Starfish would be against their policy so they would not currently issue such a permit
So I've emailed the NSMBA to find out if they have a permit to do work on Starfish or whether the work was unsanctioned.
I've also emailed them to ask them why they closed Starfish and if so, what that means. Ie no-one is allowed to ride it? Their statement that closing Starfish on Trailforks is to warn us makes no sense. They could easily have flagged the work they're taking apart if they just wanted to warn people. Also, DNV didn't want the trail closed; the NSMBA closed the trail.
I've also asked the NSMBA if they've planned to close other trails. I'll update if there's more info
No reply back as of July 31st
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First, DNV didn't ask for Starfish to be closed. NSMBA marked Starfish as closed/decommissioned. DNV said I should ask NSMBA why they are closing trails
Second, DNV is checking its own records to see if there was a recent permit issued to build new structures on Pink Starfish. They indicated that building new structures on Starfish would be against their policy so they would not currently issue such a permit
So I've emailed the NSMBA to find out if they have a permit to do work on Starfish or whether the work was unsanctioned.
I've also emailed them to ask them why they closed Starfish and if so, what that means. Ie no-one is allowed to ride it? Their statement that closing Starfish on Trailforks is to warn us makes no sense. They could easily have flagged the work they're taking apart if they just wanted to warn people. Also, DNV didn't want the trail closed; the NSMBA closed the trail.
I've also asked the NSMBA if they've planned to close other trails. I'll update if there's more info
No reply back as of July 31st
slablover
(Aug 2, 2016 at 16:04)
Hey Lee, I talked to some representatives of the NSMBA at their open house on Fromme a couple weeks ago and they showed me the permits for the work on Pink Starfish. The permits were rescinded by DNV after the structures had already been built due to several factors. PM me if you want any more details! Cheers.
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Sharonb
(Dec 9, 2016 at 19:44)
First of all I would like to congratulate the new Directors on the NSMBA board. I hope that this will issue in a new era of transparency.
Specifically we asked to see the permit for Pink Starfish. That request was denied.
We could have just been directed to the minutes that were posted on the NSMBA website instead of just being given the run around.
I post this for clarity.
Based on the April 2016 NSMBA Minutes that can be found here:
nsmba.ca/content/2016-03_2016-meeting-minutes.
Here is the statement regarding Pink Starfish by the NSMBA.
Specifically:
"Pink Starfish has a permit for remediation work only, we can not proceed to a full rebuild with our
current permit. The remediation work is being done discretely, this is necessary to move the project
to phase II. This is at the request of the Land Manager."
So, it seems that remediation work was allowed, but not the building of new structures.
So who justified the building of new structures on this trail? Its pretty clear the DNV didn't want new structures to be built as stated.
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Specifically we asked to see the permit for Pink Starfish. That request was denied.
We could have just been directed to the minutes that were posted on the NSMBA website instead of just being given the run around.
I post this for clarity.
Based on the April 2016 NSMBA Minutes that can be found here:
nsmba.ca/content/2016-03_2016-meeting-minutes.
Here is the statement regarding Pink Starfish by the NSMBA.
Specifically:
"Pink Starfish has a permit for remediation work only, we can not proceed to a full rebuild with our
current permit. The remediation work is being done discretely, this is necessary to move the project
to phase II. This is at the request of the Land Manager."
So, it seems that remediation work was allowed, but not the building of new structures.
So who justified the building of new structures on this trail? Its pretty clear the DNV didn't want new structures to be built as stated.
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