• Pangor (Mount Seymour)
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Braid Braid Braid. Ill win once I pull out 12” nails, but I wont be rebuilding skinnies or bridges till blatant reopening of the braid lines stops.

It’s a black diamond, lets keep it that please.
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      Previous Reports

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      Oct 23, 2021 @ 4:04pm
      2 days
      Large tree down at climb before Boogie intersection. Easy to walk around. Probably on the large side for a hand saw. view
      Oct 18, 2021 @ 1:07pm
      Oct 18, 2021
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      Oct 10, 2021 @ 6:48pm
      Oct 10, 2021
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      7 Comments

      • + 2
       Watched an old video of Digger doing some trail building the other day. He said something along the lines of: “…don’t ignore the feedback of riders who ride around something you’ve built…”.

      I think ride-arounds are almost always a good idea.

      Thank you for your work.
      • + 2
       Thanks for the comment, I am actually driving to drive a bit of dialog.

      I hear you and ride-arounds are incorporated in many places. Problem is you'll never please everyone and my goal of 15 years of working on Pangor has been to keep the riding experience essentially the same with improvements. That drop has been there for 20+ years, granted it's getting larger and more difficult with erosion. Should the drop get filled in or covered over with a wide downramp? The riders who air off it at race pace will say no. The E-bike who hauled on the brakes before almost running over my Trance-X Advanced standing up in the braid says yes. Should the trail have three separate lines (green/blue/black) running full length? Heck no, unless I get a full time job with a paid crew maintaining all three options.

      Last summer I literally got yelled at on the trail while rebuilding the boulder feature wooden skinnies for "dumbing it down".

      Let's talk about the consistently re-opened braid next to the boulder feature, just right of the boulder. There's a completely newly built (2012) ride around trail that bypasses the boulder completely. And yet, riders choose to remove the logs and branches put there to direct them either down the boulder, or around the ride around. I'm just about ready to build a fence or a 3 foot deep ditch there - what a waste of time.
      • + 1
       @heckler73: I don't notice the braids, probably because I'm just riding the main trail, and liking it. Its pretty shocking that people are ripping through the woods to avoid walking 3 feet on their bike around a mid-black feature on a mid-black trail. There are ride-arounds that make sense, like on upper oil can, and ride-arounds that make me think "why are you riding this trail at all if you can't ride that?". I feel bad you got yelled at, because I confess I had mixed feelings about the new on-ramp. I can ride the ramp and the two rock faces no problem, but was still only hitting the tiny end of the eroded on-ramp 1/3 of the time, but I was getting more consistent and looking forward to being able to nail it all the time, and now its gone. The end of the ramp is wider than I'd have made it, its pretty easy to ride onto now.... but then, I wasn't swinging a hammer doing the work, you were (thanks!) and if I or anyone want a bit more challenge, we can roll down the bottom of Boogie Man and into Empress.
      • + 3
       And that tree next to the trail is essentially dead if the trail were to be allowed on both sides of it. Environment comes first in all plans with the land manager, and also with me.
      • + 1
       Thanks for the Pangor video @realist !
      • + 1
       Thanks again for your work. I've ridden the trail only once, but it was well built and tons of fun!

      Pretty sure I didn't do any braiding, but as a blue/black level rider I am sometimes forced to walk past a feature that is still over my head - I'm told there is no shame in walking from time to time.

      I'm not totally sure where the braid is you are referring to, but I can say that there were some forks in the trail near the bottom that I found a bit confusing. I needed to open up Trailforks a couple times to figure out which line I was supposed to be on. I definitely didn't want to end up on Boogieman by mistake. There are spots on Seymour where I wish the signage was better.

      I look forward to riding the trail again soon, and certainly support your message.

      Thanks again.
      • + 1
       @eworth: oh, yours is totally not the issue at hand here. A select few people are riding in several new lines and removing heavy logs and trees that were intentionally placed to keep people on the trail, to make it very clear where the trail is not. Literally a few days after I placed the logs, they were removed.

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