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4,921 ft
Distance
56 ft
Climb
-395 ft
Descent
00:11:52
Avg time
-339 ft
Altitude change
5,094 ft
Altitude min
5,462 ft
Altitude max
5,433 ft
Altitude start
5,095 ft
Altitude end
-6.9%
Grade
-31.7%
Grade max
15.2%
Grade min
1,066 ft
Distance climb
3,386 ft
Distance down
469 ft
Distance flat
00:11:52
Avg time

Optimator Details

  • Activities
    • Mountain Bike
    • Hike
    • Trail Running
  • Riding Area
    The Hub
    Idyllwild - Pine Cove, California
  • Difficulty Rating
    Blue Rate
  • Voted Difficulty
    Blue (1 vote)
  • Local Popularity
    85 in Mountain Biking [+]
    • 5 in Trail Running
    • 5 in Hiking
  • Global Ranking
    #41590 in Mountain Biking [+]
    • #350846 in Trail Running
    • #329604 in Hiking
  • State Ranking
    #1,198 in Mountain Biking · California [+]
    • #14,312 in Trail Running
    • #14,105 in Hiking
  • Hiking SAC Scale
    T2 Mountain Hiking
  • Trail Type
    Singletrack
  • Direction
    Both Directions
    Popular Direction Shown
  • Dogs Allowed
    Yes
  • Land Owner
    USFS - San Bernardino National Forest, San Jacinto Rangers District

Oh my goodness this is the quintesential Idyllwild trail....so amazing. One, if not the original trail in the area. Named after the famous German beer. Once great now even greater. It has been revamped in 2023 into nothing but banked blissful DH flow fun!

This trail is unsanctioned.

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Traditionally Indigenous Territory

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Optimator Trail Reports

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Oct 11, 2025 @ 4:32pm (America/Los_Angeles)
Oct 11, 2025
Aug 21, 2025 @ 11:39pm
Aug 21, 2025
 Running great
Sep 24, 2024 @ 10:35am
Sep 24, 2024
 Ripping fast
Jun 13, 2024 @ 8:18pm
Jun 13, 2024
 Trail is running great with recent berm improvements. Optimized for descending but can be climbed with caution - descending riders may not be...
May 25, 2024 @ 10:13am
May 25, 2024
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Status:
on Oct 11, 2025
Ideal
Avg: 3.89 (4 votes)
Your vote: 0

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      Optimator - Steep, Fun, Flow in Idyllwild, CA
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      10:04 | 50 | Apr 3, 2026 , Idyllwild - Pine Cove
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      17:33 | 209 | Jan 5, 2025 , Idyllwild - Pine Cove
      3.8 ★★★★★
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      1 Review & Comments

      MichaelDeMattiesYgx MichaelDeMattiesYgx
      Very good fast fun descent with nice berms

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      Frequently Asked Questions

      ▼ Where is Optimator located?
      Optimator is located in The Hub, Idyllwild - Pine Cove, California, United States. It is part of the The Hub trail network. The trailhead is located at coordinates 33.74903, -116.75978.
      ▼ How hard is Optimator?
      Optimator is rated as Blue difficulty. The average grade is 6.9%.
      ▼ What is the elevation gain for Optimator?
      Optimator has 56 ft of elevation gain. The trail has 395 ft of elevation descent. The elevation ranges from 5,094 ft to 5,462 ft.
      ▼ Is Optimator a point to point trail?
      Optimator is not a point to point trail. The direction is Both Directions. The trail type is singletrack.
      ▼ How long is Optimator?
      Optimator is 4,921 ft long. The trail type is singletrack.
      ▼ Are dogs allowed on Optimator?
      Yes, dogs are allowed on Optimator. Please keep dogs on a leash where required and clean up after them.
      ▼ How do I access Optimator? Where is the closest parking trailhead?
      The closest parking and trailhead locations to Optimator are: View all parking locations in the area.
      ▼ How long does it take to ride Optimator?
      Based on recorded activities, it takes an average of 12 minutes to ride Optimator. The trail is 4,921 ft long. Actual times will vary based on fitness level, conditions, and pace. View recent activity logs for more details.
      ▼ How busy is Optimator?
      Optimator is a very popular trail. There have been 358 recorded activities on this trail. The trail has received 379 check-ins. View recent activity on this trail.

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