6.5 miles
Distance
1,545 ft
Climb
-1,504 ft
Descent
2,542 ft
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Detailed Description
Classic Adv-Intermediate Loop is a 7 mile popular expert route located near North Vancouver British Columbia. This mountain bike only route can be used one direction and has a moderate overall physical rating. This route includes 6 trails. This route climbs 1,545 ft with a max elevation of 2,542 ft then descends -1,504 ft.
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62 Reviews & Comments

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provin1327 (Jul 26, 2022 at 14:28)
Rode this west to east after exiting Expresso and holy crap this trail has some technical and challenging sections! Although there are some traversing sections on this trail that are blue in difficulty overall it's a black, a pretty difficult black at that. It's fun and challenging but if you are an intermediate rider this trail will eat you alive and you'll probably be walking a chunk of it.
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razzlebazzil SHORE CORPS (Jul 27, 2022 at 14:37)
You got it, it's the blackest blue trail on the shore! All I can say is you should have seen it 6 years ago. A few thousand hours over the last six years have gone into fixing up this section of trail. We haven't eliminated the gnar but there are some relatively smooth lines (albeit about 4" wide) through the rougher sections. This trail definitely helps folks progress!
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Cmguidroz (Jul 11, 2022 at 14:07)
Trail Expresso
This my be the holy grail of downhill fun technical trails as far as I’m concerned. It’s a trek to the top but god is it fun to ride down. Such a good time with moments of complete fear. Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you north shore!
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maggiedurkin (Jun 20, 2022 at 22:03)
A bit of a surprise, a fun surprise, but after a pretty mellow traverse from expresso the trail changes it’s vibe quite drastically! Be prepared to ride through like 10 rock gardens. Very well put together rock gardens, but somewhat twisty rock gardens nonetheless. Helps to know what to expect! That being said still a great way to get back to the parking lot.
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northshoregurl (May 30, 2022 at 1:23)
Trail 7th Secret
It is soooo worth the climb. What a sweet trail.
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Superepicguy264 (May 3, 2022 at 14:30)
Trail Expresso
Is a blue but has one section with a double black diamond rick roll and both ride arounds are black diamond
but easy to walk down
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SpecSRAM (Nov 8, 2021 at 10:42)
Ridden many times...decided to finally post a comment lol. I really only use BP to ride back out to the Upper Parking Lot and the final descent once you get past Big Stupid is no joke. You can create and carry some ridiculously fun speed down here. Be careful though, as hikers regularly use BP, both ways. You CAN get down the final descent in about 1:30, but your hands will not like it.
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Jake451mx (Oct 19, 2021 at 12:53)
Trail 7th Secret
As above have mentioned great amount of effort with rock armouring to make this a true all weather trail credit to the builders, I favour pile of rocks for more natural rooty tech however
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Jake451mx (Oct 12, 2021 at 15:51)
Rode a big portion of this trail west to east it was really fun recommend for riders who like tech up and downs and picking lines great to have something a little rougher next to some of the more well groomed berm trails- variety is the key-
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Mcyeetus (Sep 26, 2021 at 12:02)
Trail Expresso
An awesome trail on Fromme. Good mix of flow and a little tech. Also includes some harder features if you would like to challenge yourself but there are go around for all of them.
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Mcyeetus (Sep 25, 2021 at 16:40)
Trail 7th Secret
My favorite trail on fromme. Such a good mix of tech, features, and flow. Awesome trail worth the climb for sure!
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gg444 (Sep 11, 2021 at 21:27)
Trail Expresso
Amazing entry level black, the best flow trail on the Shore by far (sorry Bobsled). I would consider it slightly easier than Floppy just becuase it's a bit more flowy and faster for intermediates, and definitely worth the climb. I always finish my day riding Expresso during golden hour.
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FancyMango (Aug 31, 2021 at 1:35)
Trail Expresso
Man, I want to go ride that trail for the first time, but I cant go alone. Maybe someday.
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98teg (Aug 24, 2021 at 19:49)
Trail Expresso
Love this trail, 2nd time riding it, the only crappy part his having to ride baden powel trail. Definitely an easier black, speed is you friend.
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b-rider (Aug 23, 2021 at 13:40)
Trail Expresso
I dropped my driver's license by accident at the entrance to Expresso today (Aug. 23). Realized this when I got to ladies only, went back up and it was gone. Pm me on pinkbike if you happened to pick it up.
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colchilibeck (Aug 21, 2021 at 11:39)
Trail 7th Secret
Really amazing trail. I Ben in the wet there is still lots of grip.
A note to fast riders, don’t try passing slower riders while they are moving through techy/rocky steep turns. It ruins the experience when you bail because someone decides to blow by you. Just give a shout and pass when safe to do so!! We are all there to have fun. Keep those maneuvers for a race day!
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mario9000 (Jun 14, 2021 at 13:12)
Found a piece if wood with a 3" nail sticking up out of it on a bridge going eastward just before pipeline exit. Seemed to be placed there purposely. It has been disposed of now. I will upload an image.
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razzlebazzil SHORE CORPS (Jun 15, 2021 at 10:45)
Thank you for taking care of that. I'll swing through and take a good look.
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Wesmacaulay FVMBA - ADMIN (Jun 5, 2021 at 23:44)
Trail 7th Secret
Rock work is astonishing. I can’t even think of all the hours of work put into the construction of this trail. Epic.
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Wesmacaulay FVMBA - ADMIN (Jun 5, 2021 at 21:11)
Trail Expresso
First time on Espresso. Fun trail, mostly easy blue with some rock slab descents that are black.
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Wesmacaulay FVMBA - ADMIN (Jun 5, 2021 at 21:09)
A decent but challenging traverse trail back from Espresso. Some of the steeps could be made a bit more ridable. The large rock gardens will be dangerous for many riders if it's wet. Only worth riding west to east.
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Tac0h3ead (May 30, 2021 at 22:59)
Is a killer everytime I do this loop.It is extremely fun and I love doing it. Definitely worth checking out.
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quithollerin (Jan 21, 2021 at 10:16)
Yup. I can honestly say that I'm over Baden. It's now just another fee to pay if you want to ride Expresso. Shaves some life off of your bike everytime you ride it.
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98teg (Jan 4, 2021 at 22:27)
This was harder than floppy bunny and expresso
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ranchitup (Nov 23, 2020 at 21:53)
There are several sections on this trail that will f*ck a beginner up, especially in the wet. With that being said there are a few pretty fun sections on this trail and overall not terrible for a traverse.
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darcraver (Nov 14, 2020 at 19:39)
The trail totally rocks! Should have seen it 10-15 years ago Smile Great progression trail after the warmup on Expresso. Unbelievable amount of work done on this trail the last few years to make it more blue like, but it keeps fighting back Smile
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liamdubs (Aug 25, 2020 at 16:19)
Like everyone says, not a blue. This is some sort of a prank.
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Dannyjean (Aug 3, 2020 at 11:50)
Trail 7th Secret
Absolute stellar trail. Worth that little extra climb FOR SURE
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Edu888 (May 14, 2020 at 21:07)
Trail Expresso
Blue trail with black options. If you don't ride the optional stuff, it's solidly a blue trail.
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SeventhSecret (Apr 28, 2020 at 20:48)
Agree with the comments here -- this is by far the blackest blue trail anywhere on the North Shore. It tends to get pretty beaten up as well, and can get super-gnarly. There are several corners on the downhill section going East towards Mtn Highway (from Espresso / Pipeline, etc.), that are essentially steep rock gardens, and pretty slippery especially when they're wet. Not to mention the beginning of the downhill section... the mandatory steep ladder onto steep rock garden, with a slight left turn at the bottom, would be pretty intimidating, even for a black trail.
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SpecSRAM (Nov 8, 2021 at 11:18)
Its a super fun thrill ride! Big Grin
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JTJ10 (Apr 11, 2020 at 12:53)
Trail Expresso
Rode the trail a couple days ago for the first time. Although its rated blue on trail forks there are some harder sections and some decent drops, this may partly be because the trail has gotten a bit beaten up from winter and all the traffic it receives but with the current virus situation there may not be much trail maintenance for a while so keep that in mind if your expecting something really blue your first time down the trail. Still a really fun trail and great entry level black diamond, if you can handle floppy bunny(the more techy parts and bridges not the optional jumps) and you want to step it up I would recommend it, the climb is long in comparison but its a fun trail with the hardest features optional so you can work your way up to them, also the hardest non-optional parts are pretty easy to walk and there are only a couple.

All around awesome entry level black trail and im exited to ride it again in the next couple of days!
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thierrym (Sep 28, 2019 at 18:09)
Trail Expresso
Funand and pretty fast, with lots of kickers.
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B-Rough (Aug 16, 2019 at 20:46)
Similar to many of the comments above I took this trail as a connector from Expresso. This trail did surprise me as due to the rock paths they have created (I think for hikers) it is actually pretty challenging, definitely harder than Expresso in my view.
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Sunnylarson (Jul 30, 2019 at 7:01)
Trail Expresso
Super fun. Great North Shore flava.
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bboyshredder (Jul 16, 2019 at 8:57)
Trail 7th Secret
Awesome rocky trail . worth the climb , but some berms are beat up.
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scrisini (Jul 13, 2019 at 0:49)
Trail Leppard
What an awesome flowy trail ! A must !
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martyzaleski (Jun 5, 2019 at 11:56)
Trail Leppard
Fresh trail work in the mid-section this past weekend by Pete and BGC Engineering, just in time for this week's Fiver.
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JemSamonte (May 7, 2019 at 21:16)
Rode this trail after trying Expresso the 2nd time. Was very technical for me but was really fun. Walked most of the uphill part and some sketchy descent. You just have to be mindful since a lot of hikers are on this trail as well. Will definitely try again this weekend after pipeline or expresso.
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andreyapopov (Mar 28, 2019 at 13:44)
This is NOT a blue trail; it should be marked as black diamond. I ride blue trails almost exclusively with couple black ones thrown in, and this one is by far the hardest I've done. There are some "black" trail in Squamish and Seymour that are easier than this one.
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andreyapopov (Mar 28, 2019 at 13:48)
In fact, Expresso - black rated trail - is much easier than this one.
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martywis (Mar 25, 2019 at 8:51)
Trail Expresso
Hi Guys, I was riding Saturday around 4:00 and saw couple of guys on eBikes riding cross country through the woods (maybe crossing between Crippler and ESpresso)...
Unfortunately I did not manage to talk to them - but if anybody knows who they were or sees them again, please highlite that riding off trails with ebikes especially will cause damage to our sport and the fantastic location on the northshore.

btw. I am a eMTB rider as well... and there is more then enough fun on the perfect existing trails!

Please respect and share this attitude!!!!

Marty
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Edu888 (Jan 27, 2019 at 16:16)
Took the trail to go back to the parking lot after Espresso and I can safely say that this trail is significantly harder. Super steep rocky climbs lead to super steep rocky descents. The descents are really fun though.
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crashelman (Sep 14, 2018 at 11:27)
Trail Expresso
Great trail with good flow for the shore
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crashelman (Sep 14, 2018 at 11:25)
Trail 7th Secret
Awesome trail in wet weather! Epic amount of armour and nothing too sketchy. Great start to Crinkum and Kirkford
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JacksonThack (Sep 3, 2018 at 10:00)
Trail Expresso
Awesome trail. Best bet for intermediate riders looking to explore higher up the mountain
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JacksonThack (Jul 30, 2018 at 8:56)
This trail is exceptionally technical with massive uphill rock gardens, steep stairs, and not much fun for me as an intermediate rider
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georgeshumway (Jun 30, 2018 at 20:00)
Trail 7th Secret
Anyone know how this trail compares in terms of difficulty with expresso?
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nwareing (Jan 26, 2019 at 18:08)
Trail 7th Secret
Expresso is easier
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MKBERGEY1 (Jun 28, 2018 at 14:01)
Trail 7th Secret
7th is running so sweet ! ????????
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KevinStafford (Apr 4, 2018 at 6:27)
Yeah, that was the blackest blue I've ever ridden. However, I had a great time rolling those steps and re enforced stone descents back to parking. Great trail in its own right.
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konarider112 (Mar 16, 2018 at 20:55)
This is the hardest blue trail I’ve ever ridden. Especially east to west; I had to push my bike.
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chris-mcintyre (Sep 24, 2017 at 16:44)
Trail 7th Secret
One of the most if not the most amazing trail on the mountain! Definitely worth going up and shredding all the way down to Kirkford! This trail is a must when visiting Mt. Fromme!
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Ledski (Aug 16, 2017 at 19:30)
Much harder than expected and quite challenging to ride east to west. Quite technical.
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Ledski (Aug 16, 2017 at 19:29)
Trail 7th Secret
Accessible North Shore style trail that flows well through its fortified rocky technical sections. Really well built and loads of fun.
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Ledski (Aug 16, 2017 at 19:27)
Trail Expresso
Pretty soft black as far as I'm concerned.
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Ledski (Aug 16, 2017 at 19:27)
Trail Expresso
Fun mostly flow downhill with optional built up features.
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edwardbear (Aug 7, 2017 at 9:19)
Trail Leppard
thank you pete and giant........jim
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j-tommy (Mar 22, 2015 at 16:54)
Trail 7th Secret
Beauty of a trail! First ride today, my first ride on the Shore... and it lived up to the hype. Even got to meet Pete, who I understand is the master builder on this beauty. The rock work is amazing! It was pretty busy up there, but everyone was in a good mood and very friendly. Overall a great ride.
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  • Riding area
  • Primary Activity
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  • Difficulty rating
    Black Diamond
  • Bike type
    AM
  • Direction
    One Direction
  • Physical rating
    Moderate
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More Stats for Classic Adv-Intermediate Loop mountain bike route
  • Altitude change
    42 ft
  • Altitude min
    1,045 ft
  • Altitude start
    1,045 ft
  • Altitude end
    1,086 ft
  • Grade
    0.1%
  • Grade max
    -64.5%
  • Grade min
    30.6%
  • Distance climb
    4 miles
  • Distance down
    2 miles
  • Distance flat
    344 ft
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