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2.0 miles
Distance
316 ft
Climb
-622 ft
Descent
00:22:47
Avg time
-306 ft
Altitude change
1,073 ft
Altitude min
1,620 ft
Altitude max
1,380 ft
Altitude start
1,073 ft
Altitude end
-2.9%
Grade
-51.8%
Grade max
24.5%
Grade min
4,065 ft
Distance climb
1 mile
Distance down
1,079 ft
Distance flat
00:22:47
Avg time

Trail Details

  • Activities
    • Mountain Bike
    • E-Bike
    • Hike
    • Trail Running
  • Riding Area
    Mount Fromme
    North Vancouver, British Columbia
  • Difficulty Rating
  • Voted Difficulty
    Black Diamond (33 votes)
  • Local Popularity
    35 in Mountain Biking [+]
    • 25 in E-Biking
    • 90 in Trail Running
    • 70 in Hiking
  • Global Ranking
    #55619 in Mountain Biking [+]
    • #36995 in E-Biking
    • #157 in Trail Running
    • #1304 in Hiking
  • Hiking SAC Scale
    T1 Hiking
  • Trail Type
    Singletrack
  • Bike Type
    AM, XC
  • Direction
    Both Directions
    Popular Direction Shown
  • Climb Difficulty
    Black Diamond
  • Physical Rating
    Hard
  • Trail Visibility
    Always easy to follow
  • Season
    Year round
  • Family Friendly
    Yes
  • Dogs Allowed
    Yes
  • eBike Allowed
  • TTFs on Trail
    Bridge, Ladder Bridge, Rock Garden
  • Ride in Rain
    Yes
  • Land Owner
    District of North Vancouver

The well known Baden Powell trail is named after Lord Baden-Powell, the founder of the Scouting Movement and was built in honor of British Columbia's 100th anniversary as a Canadian province. Much of the trail was built by Boy Scouts and Girl Guides and officially opened in 1971. The building of the trail was led by Dirk Oostindie, North Vancouver's first Parks Manager (1959-1993) and Boy Scout leader.

Over the years sections have been improved to the point where it can be ridden West to East. The trail can be ridden East to West but is more challenging in this direction as there are some hike-a-bike sections for the mere-mortals amongst us. The trail is used to connect the various trails on Fromme, or as a cross-mountain transport. Mostly a blue trail but there are some black if not double black sections that take a few tries to master and those new to riding should check out before attempting to ride.

Here's a summary of each section of the trail from West to East with alternative route options

Section 1 - Executioner BP Exit to Skid Road Ascent | Blue connector trail in both directions

Section 2 - Skid Road Ascent to Grannies/Lower Oil Can | A blue descent trail east but a black climb trail west. An easier route westward would be going down Skid Road and climb back up via Skid Road Ascent.

Section 3 - Grannies/Lower OilCan to Express | A black eastward descent over rocks, slabs, and roots up to Lower Crippler (hike-a-bike in reverse for the westward climb) but a blue trail in both directions afterwards until Expresso.

Section 4 - Expresso to Big Stupid | Blue connector trail in both directions with some steep and narrow hike-a-bike portions. If you do not want to ride the black section of BP, then continue down Lower Expresso and Pennzoil to Braemar Road.

Big Stupid to Mountain Highway (Fromme Parking Lot) | Only rideable eastward on a mostly blue XC trail but with some gnarly features. It starts off with a punchy climb up to a double-black feature "Gates of Hell" that requires you to climb a rock garden then split 2 tress while descending over multiple steep step-downs on a narrow woodwork. After some blue XC traverse you must navigate the black-rated "Stairs of Despair" that includes multiple tight switchbacks over a steep armoured section. The final 200m includes a long and unrelentless rock garden with tight turns.

Trail Supporters
Local Trail Association

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      34 Reviews & Comments

      notsopromtber notsopromtber
      This trail is more of a connector not to be ridden in its entirety west to east (□ quite difficult) or east to west (◇ impossible climb with many hike-a-bike sections). I would break up the BP trail into 5 sections as follows from West to East (Fromme Parking Lot):

      Section 1 - ◇ Executioner BP Exit to □ Skid Road Ascent. It will be an 80m elevation change for about 900m. If exiting from ◇ Executioner BP Exit it will be a □ blue climb eastward or it will be □ blue downhill westward if you are climbing from □ Skid Road Ascent to reach the top of □ Dreamweaver. This section of Baden-Powell can be ridden both directions without issues.

      Section 2 - □ Skid Road Ascent to ◇ Grannies / ◇ Lower Oilcan. It will be 50m elevation change for about 400m. If riding from top of □ Skid Road Ascent eastward to bottom of ◇ Grannies / ◇ Lower Oilcan it will be a □ blue downhill or a ◇ black climb westward with some hike-a-bike section.

      Section 3 - ◇ Grannies / ◇ Lower Oilcan to ◇ Expresso. The first 150m of this 400m section to the bottom of ◇ Upper Cripper is a ◇ black rated steep techical trail with slabs, roots, and rock gardens for a 20m descent eastward or likely a ◇◇ double black climb westward (hike-a-bike) unless you're a professional bike trials competitor. The rest of the trail between ◇ Upper Cripper to ◇ Expresso is a □ blue rated XC traverse with only a 10m elevation change.

      Section 4 - ◇ Expresso to ◇ Big Stupid. This 700m section is a □ blue XC trail with only 10m elevation change and can be easily ridden both directions with some walk-a-bike sections if you're not a great climber.

      Section 5 - ◇ Big Stupid to Mountain Highway (Fromme Parking Lot). This part of Baden-Powell is only rideable eastward and impossible to climb westward. The 1.2km section with close to 100m elevation change is a very challenging ◇ black rated trail with steep descents, tight switchbacks over rock gardens. It begins from ◇ Big Stupid with a punchy ◇ black rated climb which is difficult to clean then you have a □ blue ride around option or continue to climb to a ◇◇ black feature (I call.it "Gates of Hell" where you ride up over a rock garden into a narrow gap between 2 tress then roll down into multiple large step-downs before rolling into a slick and narrow woodwork with an exposed cliff on the right hand side. Once you navigate more □ blue XC section you will reach "Stairs of Despair" which is a steep rockgarden with a series of tight turns and gnarly stepdowns. After more □ blue XC section the final descent into Mountain Highway is a 200m long rock garden with tight turns at off camber angles that will require commitment to ride in one shot as it will be difficult to stop due to how slippery and narrow it is.

      If you end up om Baden-Powell and wanting to head back to the Fromme Parking Lot it would be easier to go down □ Lower Expresso and □ Pennzoil or □ Dempsey then ride down Braemar Road and up Mountain Highway. If you want to head west to ride more trails or climb back up through the "No Quarters" trail system then take St. Mary's and Skid Road Ascent instead.
      tompatflower
      Most riders will have to walk a few sections going up from either direction. Likewise, the down is Black going East to West from Ladies Only and many will prefer to walk sections. However it remains the best way to get to the Mtn Highway parking lot from Expresso
      chasingjoy chasingjoy
      Don't let the previous comments impact your decision to ride. As an outsider, from Calgary, riding many of these trails blind and mostly at night due to work commitments, this is a pretty good multi-directional trail with some good challenging technical areas that will requires some good lung strength, skills, willpower and determination to ride both ways. If you don't have the skills to ride it up or down, it's ok to walk an area for your safety.

      I could only imagine what this trail looked like 2+ years ago, but hats off to making it the trail that I rode Feb 2 2024 at 6pm.
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      Frequently Asked Questions

      ▼ Where is Baden Powell (Fromme Section) located?
      Baden Powell (Fromme Section) is located in Mount Fromme, North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. It is part of the Mount Fromme trail network. The trailhead is located at coordinates 49.35525, -123.07366.
      ▼ How hard is Baden Powell (Fromme Section)?
      Baden Powell (Fromme Section) is rated as Blue difficulty. The physical rating is Hard. The average grade is 2.9%. The climb difficulty is rated Black Diamond.
      ▼ What is the elevation gain for Baden Powell (Fromme Section)?
      Baden Powell (Fromme Section) has 316 ft of elevation gain. The trail has 622 ft of elevation descent. The elevation ranges from 1,073 ft to 1,620 ft.
      ▼ Is Baden Powell (Fromme Section) a point to point trail?
      Baden Powell (Fromme Section) is not a point to point trail. The direction is Both Directions. The trail type is singletrack.
      ▼ How long is Baden Powell (Fromme Section)?
      Baden Powell (Fromme Section) is 2.0 miles long. The trail type is singletrack.
      ▼ Are dogs allowed on Baden Powell (Fromme Section)?
      Yes, dogs are allowed on Baden Powell (Fromme Section). Please keep dogs on a leash where required and clean up after them.
      ▼ When is the best time of year to ride Baden Powell (Fromme Section)?
      Baden Powell (Fromme Section) is best visited during: Year round.
      ▼ How do I access Baden Powell (Fromme Section)? Where is the closest parking trailhead?
      The closest parking and trailhead locations to Baden Powell (Fromme Section) are: View all parking locations in the area.
      ▼ How long does it take to ride Baden Powell (Fromme Section)?
      Based on recorded activities, it takes an average of 29 minutes to ride Baden Powell (Fromme Section). The trail is 2.0 miles long. Actual times will vary based on fitness level, conditions, and pace. View recent activity logs for more details.
      ▼ How busy is Baden Powell (Fromme Section)?
      Baden Powell (Fromme Section) is a less popular trail with lighter traffic. There have been 1,582 recorded activities on this trail. The trail has received 1,692 check-ins. View recent activity on this trail.

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